Most Realistic Draft I've seen so far

I don't agree with the Ellis pick. If that's how it grades out we will trade down if possible.

 

i dont like the sedrick ellis pick. I dont think he can really play well in the 3-4. He seems like a 4-3 pass rushing DT who will abuse guards when he is one on one with them because of his quickness. I think he relies too much on his quickness to perform well in a 3-4 system and occupy blockers. I would much rather have gholston to play OLB for us and rush the passer.

 

He is not a 4-3 only player. Blah.. Watch his games, he is not a West to East kind of player, he is North to South. He commands double teams, and does not give up on plays. You are judging him off of his build, which is a none issue with this kid. Dorsey is more suited for a 4-3 scheme, not, Ellis.

He is not all that quick, he has more strength then speed. He will prove that at the combine with his reps. His technique is incredible, he uses his hands so well, and control anyone that is in front of him. You wont find many in this draft that will match his work ethic either, and that has to play a huge role on this FO. He is going to be a stud in the NFL.

 

i dont like the ellis pick... alot of mocks have us takin him...and i really dont want the pats to take vernon..cuz if he turns out sickkk..im gunna be pissed we didnt grab him

 

I would rather have Ellis than Gholston. But I don't want either.

I want Kenny Phillips >__>

 

I'm more coming into the mindset of taking Ellis over Gholston as well. He seems to be someone who performs beyond the boundaries of his physical size and I think he would fit well in the middle of our D. He's also a huge value at #6. I think if Ellis is there you have to take him.

 

Im really not so sure Gholston is going to be as good as everyone says He is. I think Ellis has to be the pick here if he's available.

 

Maybe the worst mock I've ever seen.

Matt Ryan is not a very good QB prospect, he just happened to be the best in this draft, if he was in last years draft he wouldn't have gone in the first round.

Why would Atlanta take Dorsey? If they're not going to take a QB they'll probably take McFadden, or even Jake Long, who are both equally good prospects but fill a bigger need.

The Bears taking Campbell makes no sense, he doesn't provide need OR value there.

Antoine Cason is not a first round pick.

So they take Gosder Cherilus, Who is, at best an average pass blocker and couldn't even play the left side in college? Dumb.

Quentin Groves is a reach there, and a bad fit for the 'skins defense.

Jacksonville taking a QB is retarded, Garrard played great this season and Gray did a good job as his backup, Woodson isn't even the 3rd best QB in the draft.

Terrible.

Edit: You would think after seeing how much Robertson struggled at NT people would be against taking someone smaller than him to play the same position, I guess not. If we don't take Gholston I will be pissed.

 

The Cbs seem way out of order on that mock,Smith, Talib and Cason as the top 3?

 

It's a good thing Ellis is nothing like DRob then? DRob had no cartilidge in his knee, yet we still took him. He had no motor coming out of college, and nothing extra to make him a realistic pick for his size. Not even charisma was in his favor...

Ellis has something extra that he brings to the table, and he is not smaller then DRob coming out of college. Ellis is a way better prospect now, then DRob was back then.

Gholston is not that great, for the spot we are selecting at, and you will realize this soon enough.

 

I just hope that Ellis doesn?t beat out Dorsey for the top DT spot. If that happens Dorsey may fall to us instead of ellis. And due to our system, we probably have to pass on a great player like dorsey for a 2nd tier player. i would really hat that.

 

I keep seeing us take all these people on the defensive line and I can't help but think if that's the way we are going to go why not just trade down and take the underrated Calais Campbell? I've seen him play at Miami for three years now and the guy is going to be disgusting in the pros.

 

I don't buy Ryan going #1 at all. It doesn't strike me as a Parcells kind of move...their O and D-lines need improving, and Ryan isn't anywhere close to an elite level QB prospect.

Why would they throw the #1 pick at a QB when they just used a 2 on a young QB last year?

 

I could see things going this way over all, I mean anything can happen on draft day, but seriously, the Jags taking Andre Woodson under the buzz "The buzz: The Jaguars are looking to the future at this position, and they like a few prospects in this draft class."

How retarded is that? Garrard is what like 26? He has almost no mileage on him, and he had a phenomenal year in Jacksonville. There is no way the Jags go QB early in this draft, none nadda zippo. There are other questionable things about this mock, like the order of the Cb's as someone mentioned, and like the fact chicago takes Campbell, and the reasoning behind Cherilus going to Detroit.

Just because most of you hate the Ellis pick, doesn't mean that it's not a legit possibility. I hate the Ellis selection as well, I would much prefer a pass rusher to a dt like Ellis who might be able to transition to the 3-4. No need to waste a #6 overall pick on a project guy. Which is also why I despise the Gholston idea as well. I really hope Chris Long falls to us, that I think is a best case scenario for the Jets.

 

Thats gonna suck then because most 3-4 OLBs are college DE's and therefore will all be "projects" in a sense...

And Long falling to us *could* be nice...but I don't buy him as a 3-4 end and I don't buy he's athletic enough to play DE/OLB...at least pre-combine.

 

Dware, that is clearly your opinion, I feel Long is the best Pass Rushing prospect at the top of the draft, since a pass rusher is what we need, getting him would be a huge positive. Also with Gholston, I think he is more of a project guy, than someone you could just plug into that 3-4 rusher mold like a Shawne Merriman or a Terrel Suggs or even Demarcus Ware. I think it will take Gholston time to learn and transition, with guys like those three, you just could plug them in and go, I don't think there is one of those guys in this draft.

 

Any reason why?

 

Ware, Suggs, and Merriman all have taken time to learn their positions. Parcells' reasoning for not blitzing Ware as much as many Cowboys fans wanted him to blitz was because he wanted to develop Ware into a true, all around 3-4 linebacker. Suggs was primarily a pass rusher and only in the past couple seasons has his game become more well rounded. Merriman...well Merriman is just too nasty a pass rusher for anyone to even care *that* much when it comes to flaws.

Of those 3, only Ware handled the full responsibilities of a 3-4 OLB from Day 1.

I don't even sure Long's a top 5 pass rusher in this draft...let alone the best one. Gholston, Harvey, Crable, Groves are all better pure pass rushers than he is. Long's strengths as a prospect are his polish, technique, bloodlines, motor, and good all around game...I'm just not sure it translates to our D. He's a good athlete, but I'm not sure he's a good enough one to play OLB or big enough to play DE in a 3-4. One thing about Chris Long that I think people ignore way too much is that the teams Virginia played this year were absolute garbage...I barely noticed him in that VT game (Chris Ellis was the D star that night)...