A lot of people have been throwing around free agent names out there as to who we should sign, but I wanted to post what I think the projected franchise players will be (based on various reports) to outline something important: New England: WR Randy Moss Tennessee: DT Albert Haynesworth Baltimore: LB Terrell Suggs Oakland: CB Nnamdi Asomugha Kansas City: DE Jared Allen Carolina: T Jordan Gross Arizona: LB Karlos Dansby Seattle: CB Marcus Trufant Philadelphia: TE L.J. Smith (official as of 2/7) These are the guys that I am 95% sure will get the franchise tags. What is my point? My point is that it seems that a lot of people have some contentions about spending money on guys like Stacy Andrews, Calvin Pace, Asante Samuel, etc. and waiting for the top tier type of player. The problem is with the influx of cap now most teams have the ability at the worst to franchise their good players and keep them off the market. So if the Jets don't decide to spend at least on some of the second tier crops like a Stacy Andrews there really isn't any other option besides the draft and for a team like us it will be extremely difficult to solve a lot of needs in one draft. Thoughts?
It's a good point. There is one other option: Sign a franchised player, give up the 2 number one picks. Sounds reckless, but if it's the right guy--a true "franchise" player--then he's worth the #1 this year and the money you'd have to pay him and you try to get next year's #1 back by trading players and picks. My question for you and the board would be? Are any of these guys worth that kind of move?
None of those players are worth 2 #'1's...You could probably count on your one hand the amount of players that are.
Good post! I think you hit a real topic there in terms of the growth and future success for this team. It won’t happen over night. An A+ player one year doesn’t mean he will be the same player the next year; and there are many factors that can attribute to that fact. I like many others do not and will not think in terms of years to see the team we want to take the field next year, but that may be the real out come. I was never a fan of spending the big dough to obtain the widely sought after players that salivate and hold franchises hostage looking for their next or last big pay day. Coles as an example had this franchise holding its collective breath until he bolted to collect his pay day. When I think back did he derail us from possibly reaching are pinnacle during those season (Chemistry, game planning, ECT.). I think we have to re-train are brains for the long haul and not for immediate success that I am sure many are looking for next year. One game at a time and one player at a time.
I don't think I would even give up the #6 pick this year for any of those players , much less two #1s. But then again, I'm more of a long term type. I don't see how 2 #1s makes sense unless your team is already a serious contender for the SB and you think that this is the guy to get you the win.
Agreed- if this is your year coming up and you need that one piece of the puzzle, whether it be your LT running back or your Merriman LB or your Manning (Peyton) qb, then you go for the jugular and fork over the two #1's- otherwise, you're giving away an awful lot for a player who may or may not contribute as advertised..
Hmmm it means we have not won a SB in 39 yrs bcuz Woody is cheap and doesnt invst in R&D like NE does. I meean NYG.
The only players that are worth 2 #1's are franchise QBs and LT's at this point and only if they are a guaranteed pro bowler. There's no other positions on the field that are impactful enough to give up a couple of #1's. The players also need to be in the first half of their careers to have the move make sense. People talk all the time about how #1 picks are no guarantee and you should go for proven talent if you get a chance. What that argument completely misses is that while #1 picks are no guarantee they sure are for good to great teams. The definition of a great team is a team that consistently turns it's first day picks into booms instead of busts. Trading a few picks away to move up (or sign a franchised free agent) is just another way to fail in the NFL, regardless of whether or not the player you get works out in the end. That's the Jets in a nutshell since 2001. They stayed mostly decent in the early 2000's because of the big draft in 2000 and then got incrementally weaker with each trade-up/reach thereafter.
Can we just put this Woody Johnson cheap talk to bed for right now? Yeah they have let go of players, but people forget that we also signed Ty Law. If the Jets don't throw any money around this year then there maybe something to this Woody is a cheap ass idea. Remember when Coles and Thomas left its not like the Jets were $30 million under the cap they are now.
It's a move that is very very rare and hasn't worked out well for teams that have done it. The reason why especially now you shouldn't sign a franchise player is that a team will only realistically franchise a player for 2 years. If a team were to franchise a player for a 3rd year that player would get the average of the top 5 salaries at the QB position regardless of the position they play. So while we might have to wait 2 years for Suggs or Nnamdi to get on the market they will still be young if they do hit the market in 2 years.
Pre-Mangini Era we would throw money around recklessly, Ty Law, Eric Barton, David Barrett, amongst others. I have a feeling it's Mangini. Tannenbaum used to be a genius at keeping us pennies below the cap, now he's not even getting a chance to do that.
I don't think that is the issue. I don't think he was pressed last year to sign free agents because he really developed the talent in his first year. Look at Thomas, Hobson, and D-Rob. These guys played at a high level in his first year. I think Mangini felt it would happen again last year and that wasn't the case. Judging by his reactions during the KC game (most notable on 3rd and 1 when Thomas was stopped for no gain Mangini said "We can't gain one f****** yard) I don't think he will stand put. PFW has Jets insiders telling them that they will make a strong push for Faneca.
I can understand not signing a NT as D-Rob is passable and no one else is available. I do give him a little credit though, they are spending some money. They gave Thomas Jones an extension, they signed Kimo von Oelhoffen, Kenyon Coleman, Andre Dyson......... The Pete Kendall situation I think is more about the team's principle's than the actual money involved. Meh.
Apparently Eli has already been given up for two first rounders >__> I would include a few more people on that list. Ladainian Thomlinson is the only RB I would do that with, and I can't think of a WR off the top of my head. Also a few more QBs like Roethlessburger, Romo, etc......
If the Jets were drafting a little lower in the first roung, say 12th or so, I'd be willing to give up the two # 1's for Suggs. But #6 is too much to give up.
