This is a thought that just occured to me, whether Mangini is here or not next year is the movement to the 3-4 going to stop? Put it a different way if Mangini is fired would Woody bring in a 4-3 coach or 3-4 coach? Right now I feel after this offseason and draft we could be in limbo. We could have players like Harris, Gholston, Moore, and Sopoaga who are 3-4 players, along with players like Vilma and D-rob who seemed to be 4-3 type players (I am not saying they can't play in the 3-4 yet, but I think we will find out this year). Whatever happens after next year it's not like switching to one particular defense will suit all our players. I guess my point is that it doesn't seem like we will switch back to the 4-3 anytime soon. By the end of this offseason we will have stockpiled 3-4 players and even if Mangini isn't here Cowher could come in and continue the movement. Thoughts?
Mangini will still be here. They wont stop the transition to the 3-4 until it is completed. They have already wasted two years in conversion, and that cycle wont stop until it is completed with the players needed to make the 3-4 effective.
The 3-4 is not going to go away for the next 4 years, minimum. We are going to have players that specifically fit in this system and that is that. There is no more 4-3... if we become a great 3-4 defense people will praise Mangini for sticking to the plan and making us a top 10 D.
A big part of the Jet's problems on the defensive side of the ball can be laid squarely at the feet of the team's indecision over the last decade on choosing a front. 1996:4-3 1998:3-4 2001:4-3 2006:3-4 That'll often kill a defense all on it's own as high draft picks of preceding years become marginal players in a sytem they were not drafted to play in.
Yeah, the Jets are going to need to stay in a 3-4 defense for some time and this is coming from a fan of the 4-3 defense.
3-4 isnt goin anywhere..were prob goin to loose our 4-3 players soon...so switching back would be like started over again...and if it did id jump off a buildin
I'm hoping that we will bemuch more aggressive in the 3-4 transition this offseason. I'm hoping that we were pretty conservative last year because we were coming off such a surprisingly good season. We will see, but I'm hoping we will make over the D entirely this year.
PFW had a tidbit in the Way We Hear It section about Mangini wanting to be more aggressive. I agree we need to make over this D. I think Sopoaga, Gholston, and Sims/Moore will be enough to make this D good. Another corner would help, but shouldn't be a top notch priority. The O-line and front seven of the D have to take precedent.
I am 4-3 guy, but I totally agree with this thread. Lets stick to our guns now that we have taken steps to go in the direction of the 3-4 the past 2 seasons. We truly need 3 300lbsers to anchor the fron of that line and tie up linemen and the FB. Look at the great 3-4's in the NFL. NE- Seymore= 6-6 310, Warren= 6-5 300, and Wilfork= 6-2 325. SD- Castillo= 6-3 290, Olshansky= 6-6 310, and Williams= 6-3 350 Total weight is= 950 Pit- Keisel= 6-5 290, Smith= 6-5 298, and Hampton= 6-1 355 Total weight= 943 Bal- Edwards= 6-3 315, Gregg= 6'0 310 and Ngata= 6-4 340 Total weight=965 Now thats some beef upfront to help let the backers make some plays. I would love to see Vilma and Harris next to each other with some protection in fron of them. But take a look at who we had in front of them last year. NYJ- Ellis= 6-5 285, Coleman= 6-5 295 and Robertson= 6-1 315 Total weight= 895 WE NEED MORE BEEF!! dont draft Vernon, lets get a big slob in there that can tie guys up.
^But we're sorely lacking a pass-rushing threat at OLB, and Gholston gives us that. Plus there doesn't seem to be any value at #6 for the 3-4 linemen, unless you consider Sedrick Ellis a 3-4 end. I agree with bulking up the line though. There should be some decent 34 linemen guys that make sense with our 2nd pick (Moore, Balmer, Sims)... we'll see. I'd hate to see the team trade Vilma before we give him the chance to play behind a beefed-up defensive-line. He's a great player in open space.
That's quite an assumption. The 3-4 will be here as long as Mangini is, period. If Mangini suffers another terrible season, and loses his job, I'd assume whoever the new HC is would evaluate the personnel before deciding which scheme to go with, as opposed to implementing his scheme regardless of personnel ala Mangini...
This is completely accurate. The Jets have been pushed around on the line of scrimmage the last two seasons and you can't stop the run when that's happening. It is vital to the Jets chances in the next year or two that they man up on the line and get some people in who can dominate the line of scrimmage. Right now Kenyon Coleman is the closest to appropriate size for the role he plays and he's small too.
I think/hope we're going to see a very different Jets D next season. Theres a ton of pass rushers available...theres a few 3-4 DL players available this offseason. We deeeeeeefinitely need some size and youth in our front 7...and with Haynesworth, Suggs, Dansby, Gholston, Groves, Starks, Rubin, Morton, Long, Robertson, Balmer, Moore, Jones, Langford, Avril, Ellis, Merling, Davis, Brown...etc etc...we should be something on D next year. This shuld be a fun offseason...and it'll tell us alot more about this coaching staff.
If they are going to keep this 3-4 defense they need to add players that fit this system! sorry if this leave anyones team favorites out in the cold but the truth is we have zero push at the point of attack and that will leave us in the same spot we were in last year!
What??? The point is it is harder to build a 3-4 than it is a 4-3, also more teams run a 4-3 In a 4-3, your LBer just slides in at end and your done. Going from a 4-3 to 3-4 requires acquiring another end and/or NT and getting a passrushing LBer. I didn't make any comments on which is better for us, or which has a better potential.
I'm glad you posted this, this is why I think Mangini continues to stick with the 3-4 rather than use more of a 4-3 look. It takes time for the players to understand the little things about the 3-4, its not just personnel. While we may not get all positions in the front seven up to the point where we have pro-bowlers every where in 2008, this front seven can be upgraded so it is a defense that give trouble to some good opposing offenses including the patriots and colts (yeah I'm an optimist). If this team can get a decent NT and score in the draft like they did last year at OLB and DE and we will be on the right track. Adding a corner like Trufant or Drayton Florence could help since we could blitz more too. I think there are two more years left on this 3-4 project, but there's no reason that next year this team can't have a good 3-4 defense if its willing to be aggresive in its approach to free agency and draft well.
Hm...well I guess I shouldn't have quoted it for truth. I took it as a nod to the 3-4's versatility. The fact that you can use so many different fronts as a 3-4 team is a huge plus for the 3-4. It's much harder to build a 3-4 TODAY than when the Pats did it, but that again is a sign of the D's resurgence within the league. It's a much more complex defense than the 4-3, and in todays game the defense must confuse as well as attack...something the 3-4 does much better than the 4-3 IMO. I think it's completely worth the wait to build a great 3-4 D and honestly...it's not like we had a kickass 4-3 or that it's easy/easier to build good one.
lol at me, that makes more sense now.... I always assumed QFT meant quit ****ing talking.......:rofl2: The more you know........
