Look who Woody has hired to run his football operations. Terry Bradway was the VP of scouting for the Chiefs a team that had done nothing for the 9 years he was there except compile winning seasons and get murdered in the playoffs. No GM experience he was handed the job and he wasn't a high paid GM to start. He hired Herm with no experiecne a resume that didn't warrant the hire, again at a relatively low price. Tannenbuam essentially has been a team accountant for years, nothing suggests that he should be the top man in picking personal. Mangini also hired for HC peanuts as far as salary got the job because he essentially was on the Pats staff and was a friend of Tannenbuams. I happen to like Mangini so far but the truth is Woody has twice turned to guys with less than stellar credentials to run his football organization at less than top pay and both times those GM's brought in guys as their HC with less than stellar credentials at below average HC salaries to run the team on the field. That doesn't mean they are bad but it just shows the way Woody operates. Now a good owner might have gone after some top people right from the start. Certainly after canning Bradway he could have made a complete search for someone to run his football operations but instead handed the job to Tannenbaum without even looking outside. I'm sure Tannenbaum is a great bean counter but where is our team really headed? This is now year 8 and we went from pretty good to competitive to one of the worst teams in the league and most of the guys buying the groceries are still here and still making key decissions.
Ok. So who would you have hired in 2006?? Where did Johnson screw up??? Who was out there that he passed up on to save a couple of million dollars, which is peanuts to an NFL franchise?
I'm not the owner of the Jets I just get to see the reruns. The results show where we screwed up and a couple of million dollars on the expense side is a ton of money when it's yours it's only peanuts when it's someone elses.
With all due respect, that is a Champ answer and you are better than that. There was no big time GM available in 2006 like a Parcells or a Wolf or a Polian. And the consensus was that the Jets should hire a your HC with potential like Mangini rather than a retread like Mike Tice, who was the top candidate besides Mangini. And now we all see what happens when you go after the college coaches. It's too easy with 20-20 hindsight after this season to say Johnson screwed up without saying how. You are doing just that. You are looking at 4-12 and saying the Jets should have made better front office hirings, but you can't say who those front office hirings should have been.
No one of Woody's caliber pays $600 Million for a franchise that has the potential of becoming worth more than $1 Billion and quibbles over several million dollars in salary for his selection of a HC or other FO personnel. No one. So, above innuendo, anecdotal evidence and unsubstantiated claims of Woody being "cheap" at the "expense" of the team are simply that.
that's the single best post i've ever read from you. and, you do make some valid points. the only thing i would disagree with you on is that there is no salary cap on management. if woody really wanted to win a trophy, he would offer whatever $$$ it took to get the best gm and coach out there. i don't see him doing that. i see synder trying to out-bid the ravens for ryan, and the miami owner bringing in both tuna and wolfe. :wink:
How old is Wolf? He must be well past 70 by this point. I don't see him being a full time GM any longer. As for Ryan, I don't think it's a case of outbidding Baltimore for him. It's a question of whether Harbaugh wants him and whether he wants to stay. If either Ryan hits the market, I see him being the Jets DC. I don't think money is an issue with Johnson, despite what some on this board think. Again, I don't think there was a big time choice for GM or HC in 2006 for Johnson to have opened his wallet. I think it says all you need to hear that when Parcells retired, Johnson begged him to stay and offered him a blank check. If the "name" was there, I don't think Johnson would hesitate.
You know what every GM that has ever been in the NFL has in common? At one point, they weren't one. Every successful GM was given a chance at some point, and so was every unsuccessful GM. I really get sick of hearing the "we should have hired a GM with experience" line. At some point, every successful GM was given a chance. One bad season and people want to lynch the HC and GM. It doesn't work that way.
Why would you do the same thing twice in a row that got us to where we are? Maybe we hit gold in Mangini but it wasn't by design that much is clear. By the way here is the list of NFL payrolls for 2007 listed by Fox. http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/teamSalary?categoryId=67054 1 Panthers $123,707,016 2 Patriots $122,725,423 3 Vikings $121,524,054 4 Cowboys $120,821,036 5 Redskins $120,516,130 6 Rams $116,485,467 7 Colts $113,607,772 8 Bengals $111,917,228 9 Seahawks $111,770,825 10 Titans $110,352,610 11 Giants $110,106,554 12 Eagles $103,982,166 13 Falcons $100,713,595 14 Broncos $98,752,003 15 Jaguars $98,335,887 16 Ravens $98,335,887 17 Texans $98,335,887 18 49ers $96,661,366 19 Saints $96,434,976 20 Bears $96,066,989 21 Cardinals $95,544,952 22 Browns $94,357,302 23 Steelers $90,751,557 24 Chargers $90,226,303 25 Packers $90,148,095 26 Buccaneers $87,043,316 27 Raiders $84,521,705 28 Dolphins $83,939,423 29 Lions $81,300,315 30 Chiefs $76,633,107 31 Jets $75,338,300 32 Bills $65,782,440
So would you prefer to hire someone who had GM experience who hadn't won anything? The GM's that have built a team that's won a championship are either retired, or have jobs already. And considering Tannenbaum was Parcells' choice to be GM if he had gone to Tampa Bay, obviously Parcells thought enough of him.
How come he didn't recomend him to Woody? Any GM working for Parcells would just be working out the contracts.
http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/totalpayroll.aspx?year=2007 Team Total Payroll Washington Redskins $ 123,408,019 New England Patriots $ 117,963,182 New Orleans Saints $ 110,417,011 Buffalo Bills $ 108,875,882 Kansas City Chiefs $ 108,482,459 Dallas Cowboys $ 107,376,072 San Francisco 49ers $ 106,877,077 Detroit Lions $ 106,731,910 Pittsburgh Steelers $ 106,293,914 Baltimore Ravens $ 104,997,764 Chicago Bears $ 104,151,969 Indianapolis Colts $ 102,786,398 San Diego Chargers $ 102,460,685 Cleveland Browns $ 102,394,922 Denver Broncos $ 102,152,344 Philadelphia Eagles $ 100,807,309 St. Louis Rams $ 100,340,467 New York Jets $ 99,971,535 Seattle Seahawks $ 99,567,188 Arizona Cardinals $ 98,694,817 Cincinnati Bengals $ 98,529,188 Houston Texans $ 98,154,775 Tampa Bay Buccaneers $ 98,105,565 Green Bay Packers $ 97,653,823 Tennessee Titans $ 97,081,153 Jacksonville Jaguars $ 94,030,775 Carolina Panthers $ 93,944,262 Miami Dolphins $ 92,573,123 Minnesota Vikings $ 92,161,921 Oakland Raiders $ 90,869,865 Atlanta Falcons $ 83,845,371 New York Giants $ 75,755,388
That list proves nothing. This year's playoff teams were at 2,4,5,7,9,10,11,15,23,24,25,and 26. The teams in the conference championships were at 2, 11, 24 and 25.
Who was qualified at the time? Who was the hot GM that Johnson should have broken the bank to hire??? If you can't come up with a name , your criticism rings quite hollow. I do not believe that there was any hot GM candidate available at the time. I can tell you that.
I'm okay with my critisism ringing hollow we have an accountant running our team and a 4 & 12 record the Giants and Pats are in the SB. The last time we won we had a top flight football man running the team, you think that was a coinicidence, I don't. Tannenbaum may end up being a great GM with his stellar background in contracts?
Parcells the coach won those games for us, not Parcells the GM. Some of his signings and draft picks were horrible. Again, who would you have brought in that was in such high demand?
Martin, Mawae and the 4 No. 1's that Parcells/Groh picked plus Coles is the reason we had a somewhat decent team through the entire Bradway/Herm era.
if you have not realized yet in JWWS world the NYJs are god like & there poo never stinks & there urine never stinks & there is always some other reason why we have been wallowing around on a losing mode for the last 39 years without sitting down & pondering the question why have we have not won NOTHING for 39 years. He flames everyone else if you notice but never the NYJs
