Tannenbaum: Clemens earned the right to play By Hoss Aultman Posted Jan 27, 2008 Mike Tannenbaum says the reason Kellen Clemens played over the second half of the season is that he earned that right. "Kellen had earned the right to play," said Tannenbaum, giving no further explanation. And as for Clemens mostly disappointing play, Tannenbaum attributes that to youth. "If you look at the last couple of years, our young guys in the first two rounds specifically with Nick (Mangold), Kellen (Clemens), Darrelle (Revis) and (David) Harris, I think all the young players in the league are going to have inconsistencies." But it seemed like Mangold, Revis and Harris played a lot better during their first seasons as starters. So what gives? "When you play quarterback, I think that's magnified both positively and negatively," said Tannenbaum. "Kellen was similar in that he did some things wrong, and some things he has to do better. That is just part of being a young player in the league." But not every young player who struggles early in their career turns it around.
I sure wish there was some way to find out if he is the type who will or won't turn it around. I guess we could play him.
I think this situation is rather fortunate. I really don't like Clemens, but I have to give him some kind of pass because he was without Coles and the offensive line was atrocious. I fault him on his accuracy, his poise, and his decision making. I'm concerned because the first one is something that can't really be taught, and the last one is a product of a certain type of psyche that only works when you're accurate. I hope he steps up. I don't see much of a difference this year between the top tier qb's and a middle round guy. I think they're all overvalued. Three of the top guys are from pass-friendly systems and the guy from BC throws way too many picks. The situation is ripe for a guy like Flacco to work his way into the top 50. With that in mind, I'd hate to see us waste a pick on someone incapable and set ourselves back another couple of years. I think we've seen with Clemens that if we run effectively and play defense, he can, at the very least, keep us in football games. I can deal with that for now because we're in a great position to upgrade personnel in other spots. -X-
Unless there’s a Free agency move or a possible late round pick up in the draft, its lets wait and see again. It’s given that Kellen didn’t have the O-line to make him feel protected leading to happy feet and indecision while he was behind center. This year it cannot be said that we have addressed this problem I know its a little early and no moves have been made but this is more important for the coming year as its was last year and really remained "Not addressed". I think everyone can see that Kellen has the physical tools to be a prime time player, but will that translate into 08? I like a number of people here would like a winning season in 08 but I have resided myself to the fact that we probably will be terrible again due to the unknowns that wont just go away! Is it possible that we plug in our new acquisitions and get production; yes! But I am not counting on it. I too agree he has earned the right to start but all of this is just a pep talk until we know where Chad is going or is he? What Offensive line help is brought in (Draft, Free agency?) Let him start out the gate and stick with him ; if we see Chad coming in to relieve him or begin staring due to a nasty first 4 games then we have once again wasted a season on hoping the QB can get it together . I hope not!
Clemens did exactly as expected as a first time starter in the NFL behind a bad offensive line and with a group of injury prone or inconsistent receivers. If you look at the guys who came in and played strongly as first year starters they almost all had the table laid for them beforehand with a good to great offensive line and a pair of good receivers to work with. If you look at the guys who struggled early on they generally had circumstances similar to Kellen Clemens last season.
Kellen didn't earn the right to play in his games last season. He earned the right to play by means of being our 2nd round pick. I agree he deserves to start the season, but I wouldn't mind a middle round QB to have in the mix just for some competition and for a contingency plan if Clemens doesn't work out.
Dude, speak to your crack dealer. He's putting something in there that just ain't right. CHAD WON IN TC.
Sonny, please refrain from acting like a child! Then review the tapes and maybe you will learn to be quiet when you do not know what you are talking about! Thank you!
Thanks for the advise Dad and I'm sorry for my poor attempt to humorized an opinion that I totally disagree with. But then again even the coaching staff, who has a predisposition to pick the player that gives them the best chance to win, wasn't watching the tapes that you've seen........
How do you know he beat out Chad? Kellen played against backups, Chad vs starters. You weren't there for the practices. He definitely did close the gap though.
advice is spelled: ADVICE ADVISE is a different word. Did you fail to understand" annoint" too? CHAD played terrible in preseason and played no differently in his first 7 games. He was finally benched. Forget the humor sonny, and learn how to write!
If I remember correctly Chad beat out KC in the previous TC, (after his shoulder surgery) and at the end of the season Mangini announced that CP would be the starter for the following season. KC has earnt his chance by being the default #2 QB. Who knows Tuiasasopo might beat Chad or KC to the #2 next season.
Chad was outright terrible in TC and preseason. There was no competition but based on performance he was arguably the worst of the 4QB in preseason. He continued his poor play into the season which is what got him benched. Kellen never earned the right to play just like Chad didn't earn the right to play in 02 Vinny played himself out of a spot. The question is can Kellen be a top QB. Unlike Chad who never earned the right to play when he got the opportunity he played well, Kellen when he got the opportunity not only didn't play well but showed a tremendous lack of poise. Unless Clemens has a huge turnaround this team will be a bottom feeder for years. There are to many people that beleive we don't need an outstanding QB to take a big step up in spite of our other issues. Building a team around a second rate QB will be a mistake that will keep this team from moving forward for another decade. I haven't given up on Clemens yet but there were enough bad signs to make me think he isn't the next great QB.
Kellen was never in the competition for the starting QB spot in 06. The traded for Ramsey as insurance and they didn't like what they saw. Chad pretty much was handed the job when they saw Ramsey and Chad was physically able to perform.
KC should have the same four years to be judged that all other successful NFL quarterbacks have taken to make it. Oh, and please note that if nobody blocks for a year, that one can't be counted as one of the four. KC and CP are both sorely needed by the NYJ, in my opinion. Both are well along in the NYJ learning curve, which, in case no one has noticed, is kind of prodigious under BS and Mangini. Every successful quarterback has to have an equally successful OL and skill player group.
The quarterback competition that BS and EM run puts the candidates in a lot of different situations where they have to succeed. If CP wins or KC wins this quarterback competition then that winner deserves to start. BUT, if they support one another and they continue to compete it makes good sense that they get to share the load as the season wears on. The team has to trust the quarterback. There's no law that says the team can only manage to trust one quarterback. With the injury rate in the NFL what it is, that would be impractical, wouldn't it....
well from what we heard so far it's gonna be an open compitition in training camp this year. if kellen with 2 fulls years in the system can't beat out chad in a fair race then i have no problem with chad being the starter again.
The practical reality is if they don't trust Kellen and go to a 2 QB system the team is not building toward anything. Until we have a QB that the HC believes in the rest of the rebuild lacks direction and purpose. If that's the case both Tanny and Mangini will be gone when their contracts run out.
