Will it ever happen?

The Jets are not going to a 4-3. Period.

As for the Pats defense, I think it is vulnerable. The Jags did what they had to do offensively last night. I think the Pats defense stopped the Jags three times - one turnover in the first quarter, one punt in the second half, and the late turnover. The Jags stopped themselves. Two dropped TD passes led to FGs insteand of TDs and that would have made a 28-20 game into a 28-28 game.

If you really want to compare the major difference between the two teams, it is the OL. After the first series, Brady did not get touched by a Jaguar. The OL gave Brady all day to throw against the Jags conservative game plan and he picked them apart. The only time the Pats offense was stopped all night was the missed FG. The Pats offense won that game last night, not the defense. If the defense plays well, that game is blowout. The Giants also moved the ball against the Pats.

As for your front 7, I think it's time for Ellis and/or D Rob to go if they do not restructure their contracts. They are both among the highest paid players on the team and the highest paid DLs in the NFL and the production does not match. Robertson plays hard, but is out of position and may not be a fit for 3-4. at least at NT and he is probably too short to play DE. Ellis has been a waste of $40 million so far. He took the big money and became invisible. An average DE who is paid $1-2 million a year can produce at the same level - 3-4 sacks a year and a tackle here or there with no real impact plays. Signing him was a big mistake.

 

The Jets play a lot of 4-3 and are no more effective at that then the 3-4 alignment. They do not have the players for a traditional 4-3 either. The best fit would likely be a one gap 3-4 like the Cowboys and Chargers play. That said, our defense after the bye was quite acceptable. Fix the offense and the defense will seem even better.

 

We don't have the personnel for 4-3, so to switch to it would be insane. Let them build the defense they want and then judge them on it once it is in place.

 

I couldn't agree more. We have the personnel that we can show different looks. Hell we even came out in a one down lineman look. After the bye we started looking like a defense, with a couple key additions, could be a top 15 defense quickly. I think that we will start seeing a predominate 3-4 D with looks of 4-3, & 4-4.

With that said look, for our FO to add a couple of 3-4 style DL in the draft. I want Kendal Langford late.


We need to fix the OL the rest will fall into place.

 

I'm surprised that yesterday's game resulted in an epiphany for you regarding the Pats' defense, since it played okay, but hardly great (the Jags had 358 yards of total offense, just about their season average). The place where the Jets aren't in the same time zone as the Pats is on offense - they averaged almost 100 yards per game less on offense, but only 35 yards per game more on defense, and scored 20 points per game less, while giving up 5 points per game more.

 

So.. I dont understand why the defense is usually always getting crucified on these boards. I mean, there are holes, dont get me wrong. We are not as dynamic as a lot of these top D's, yet. So surely that is something that we are drooling at the mouth for.

When I watch the games that we had played last year, we struggled so much more on offense the entire year. We had flash's of good things to build around, but overall it was terrible. IMO. I am not a stat buff, but I am willing to bet our O-Line probably would've placed in the top 5 worst O-lines last season.

Our offense put our D in some of the worst spots last season, and they made due with what they were given. Considering the lack of talent we had on both sides of the line, in the trenches especially. If I was to give an epiphany over what unit is in the worst critical shape, it would not be the D.

 

Did I miss something? When did Ellis ever wreak havoc on the QB? The guy has been nothing better than an average starter for his entire career.

 

thats what I was thinking....if this turns out to be a 3 or 4 year rebuilding mission, I would hope we are shooting for a better defense than the pats have now.....its CLEARLY their unstoppable offense that is winning these games.....

 

The Pats defense is still as good as anyone in the league. They know their offense can score 40 points a game so instead of trying to shut teams out they play a bend but don't break where they still take away one of the opposing teams weapons. They want to give you the middle of the field and and then if you actually have a long drive and get into the red zone they want you kicking field goals. Most teams can't sustain a 10 play drive without screwing up with a pick, holding etc... So the Pats know on a good percentage of their drives that they are scoring touchdowns. They know few if any teams are going to put together multiple long drives to keep up with them. They still have an unbelievable defensive line that occupies most of the offensive line. They have 4 veteran linebackers that know their role and rarely miss tackles. They have a secondary mostly built from within that play within the scheme. It's a very good defense.

 

Good grief. Another 4-3 vs 3-4 post. Hello, it is not going to change with Mangini here. That is that. Get used to it. What is wrong is the fact that Tangini lacked the guts to get rid of personnel they wanted out after a 10-6 season. They were right the first time. They should have stuck with the plan they said they had. They chickened out because they had some unexpected success. A tougher schedule this year proved that they were right in the first place. Of course, they have lost a year in talent development and acquisition because of their cowardice. Just look at net year as Year Two of the ?-Year Plan.

 

Jets aren't going back to the 4-3 but even if they did I would expect them to align:
SLB - David Harris
MLB - Jonathan Vilma
WLB - Karlos Dansby

 

Da 43 Is Dah Bes!!!!!

 

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Sometimes one is unable to see the forest for the trees. The defense actually played pretty well the second half of the year. A couple more impact player and the defense may be very good. The offense is a totally different story!

 

I thought the question was "will it ever happen, the Jets contend for the AFC."

Because simply I don't see it. Despite their loss, New England and Indy are the class of the AFC, Brady, great coach, great front office. Peyton, great coach, great front office.

San Diego and Jacksonville are on the rise, and they all have QBs. Pittsburgh is good, and have a good QB. Tennessee is on the rise.

I just don't see it. Will this team contend for a wild-card? Much less a division title or conference title?

I just don't see it.

 

Even if Pitt, SD, NE, Indy and Jax make the playoffs (and I can't imagine they all will...) that still leaves one wild card to be filled by whichever other AFC side can sneak to 10 wins. Tennessee, Denver, Cleveland and Cincinnati will all fancy it, we're in a boat with Baltimore, Oakland, KC, Buffalo, Miami and Houston - unfancied.

 

Anyone have a breakdown of which teams are 4-3 or 3-4 ?

 

Perhaps these glasses will help you see it more clearly?

 

none of this defense talk will ever matter until we have a quarterback, which i dont know if we do right now