PFW gives Mangini D-

1) Aside from special teams the entire CS/FO deserves a D- for this year.
2) I don't think we really have great 4-3 personnel now anyway. Who are our pass rushers in the 4-3?
3) The defense DID play much better in the second half of the season.
4) The offense is far more to blame for the team sucking this year than the defense IMO.

 

Ellis, DRob, Vilma are 4-3.
Hobson can play either adequately.
Harris, Kenyon Coleman, Bryan Thomas are 3-4.

So at the moment, we wouldn't do either of them well.

Pro Football Weekly isn't a very unbiased site though. They love half the teams, hate the others.

 

I can see a D not a D-, the Raiders get a D- and we are better than them.

Once the square pegs are removed and we have the holes in place we will be fine. They actually draft well. Look at Mangold, Brick, Harris, Revis, L. Washington, Clemens even.

Thats why on Draft Day I have confidence in my FO and CS... Its the FA period that scares me, because i know its the owner of the team that wont spend the money.

Playcalling needs improvement. We call know that. Shottys young- so i imagine with the help of Callahan or whoever the old wise man with the plan is that we will bring in can help out Shottys inexperience.

Hey, with a D-... We can only get better... right?

 

D or D-, either way we sucked - no need to cut hairs on how bad we sucked. After D- comes F, right?

 

Yeah, we but aren't an F-- Dolphins get an F because they are F'd.

 

At least the Raiders could run the ball, that makes them better than us.

I don't agree the O was the biggest issue. When you are up double digits in the second half and lose leads, it goes on the D and mostly on coaching for not making halftime adjustments. To have a team go 10-6 then 4-12 they probably deserve an F. If you get a A for last year, you get an F for this year. 8-8 C, 6-10 D, 4-12 F.

 

Harris would fit fine in a 4-3. I can't understand why people wouldn't think he could be a star playing a 4-3. He would make a perfect OLB along with Hobson. Also, Ellis is more suited for the 3-4 at this point in his career, Ellis is not the same pass rusher he used to be, to play a 4-3 we would need two defensive ends (although Ellis would be adequate if we could get 1 at least)

 

Yeah, Harris would still be great in a 4-3. It's just that we drafted him for the 3-4, so it looks like we're staying that way.

And about the Raiders being worse than us. I'm not so sure about that. It's a grade for the Head Coach isn't it? Lane Kiffin made alot of moves there, and fixed up their O-Line a hell of alot. I guess he understands the importance of good blocking, unlike some other coaches. Plus, he has to work under that retard Al Davis, so he deserves at least a plus for that.

 

Harris could play MLB in the 4-3 without missing a beat.

 

At least the Jets aren't an F either
It could be worse.

 

Nevermind the grades, continue with building the 3-4. We are a few pieces away, and a lot of people lost sight of the big picture this year however next season with added size next year we will have a formidable defense. Offense is another story. Harris 4 prez hahaha...

 

Id have to say he gets a D- for the off season and a D for the regular season. He allowed too many holes to remain unfilled and UN addressed. Its one thing to have a set roster and find out during the season that you are under manned; but with them rail-roading Kendall out of town it was quite obvious that we were very thin on the O-line.
He allowed for Chad to languish; I am assuming waiting for him to come out of his funk for far too long. I think the Defense get a bad wrap in terms of how our season went down. We didn’t get blown out every game and in at least 5 or 6 games we had a chance to win or tie on the final drive!

 

Parcells and Bellichek ran a hybrid 3-4 with 4-3 personnel until he got the players they wanted. Herm ran a 4-3 with 3-4 personnel. Why does Mangini not deserve to get the type of players and D he wants? He inherited a Tampa cover 2 D. Thats why we drafted Drob to play the 3 tech, Vilma(Who should be playing better in the 3-4 than he was) and signed the corner from Arizona. Really, everyone else is a perfect fit. Ellis was drafted to play the 3-4, Poaha is a pure NT, B.Thomas fits the 3-4 BETTER than the 4-3(too light for a 4-3), Harris and the other 2 LB's(barrett and Barton), Revis,and our safety who should have made the pro-bowl(rhodes). We are just a DT and a pass rushing LB from having a REAL GOOD 3-4 D. At this point Robertson has 2 bad knees and Vilma didn't play half the season and we got better when he was gone. The writer is a dope.

 

When you go 4-12 you are not going to get A+. I think D- is a bit harsh because even though I do think that Mangini is stubborn; his team did play for him for all 16 games and the team was held together in bond. Given our record that says a heck of a lot. How many coaches have you see over the years completely lose the team when faced with such a year. Now, I am not ready to hand out a high mark. Why?

I do think he made some critical errors in evaluating the status of our offensive line. This certainly falls on Tannenbaum, too. Kendall, I don't view this as critical, but they probably should have anted up a mil for Kendall. The only downside to this is it would not have made our offensive line problems as obvious as they are. I actually like the later outcome better; there is zero ambiguity. We still need a NT for the 3-4. This is not likely to be filed this off-season.

There is some definite doubt about the adaptability of the Jets to what they face during the game.

All in all, I would say, and taking into account that we went to the playoffs last year, I would give a very solid C-.

 

He can only get worse?

 

Yet another person posting a topic that is seemingly about something but really it's just another excuse to bring up the 4-3 topic. Well done.

 

I don't get the 4-3 fetish at all. I don't think I ever will.

I definitely don't get where people got the idea that our D would be better in a 4-3.

 

It's not the topic that bothers me. It's the mentality of "No one responded to my genius post about the 4-3. Maybe if I disguise my post as another topic, they'll respond."

 

Yes, but Ellis wasnt doing much in the 4-3 after his first couple seasons. First he had the excuse that Abe was always hurt. Bottom line is that Ellis is just a decent DE..no matter what d he plays.

Some coaches like to run and gun...some like to slow it up....some love to blitz non stop...some like to play cover 2 style defenses.

Mangini is a 3-4 guy..period. Go out and get him 3-4 guys. If the plan is to do that through the draft..that takes 3-4 seasons. So far, our front office has decided to either do it through the draft or sign 5 to 10 journey men type defensive ends suited for the 3-4 and hope enough shit being throw at the wall..well something might stick.

It hasnt. I dont get the talk of Mangini being too stubborn. The Jets showed plenty of 4 man fronts this year. Mangini is a 3-4 guy. Its either going to come around or its not...but he shouldnt change what he believes in because his talent is suited for it...change the talent...not the coaches beliefs. Who the hell wants a coach that changes what he believes in.

We just got done with one of those guys..who is doing a stand job changing his beliefs in KC now.