Originally Posted by CJLang If Rob Ryan comes in, don't be surprised if the Jets go to a base 4-3 defense. that makes sense to me--then we can keep drob and play him at DT, not NT. Ellis is a 4-3 end and Harris can play MLB. Vilma? Trade or move to OLB. Cut Thomas u 2 need to do ur homework, ryan is a 3-4 guy, he was coaching the 4-3 in oakland cause thats what al davis wanted
What on earth makes you think this? From day one Mangini has been dead-set on the 3-4, and Ryan was his first choice as coordinator. Why would his first choice as a D-Coord switch him up in base personnel?
If we wanted a space eater to 'hold the fort' Grady Jackson was that guy. It was foolish not to bring him in. As for TW, I wouldn't mind giving him a 1 year deal. He would likely improve our running game. We need to cut Drob or renegotiate his heavily back loaded contract that comes to bear next year.
I thought he signed a 2 year deal with Cleveland. Didn't Clevelands Defense which used the 3-4, suck? I am not against bringing him in by any means but he is almost 40 and may already be done. Also about the Grady Jackson thing. He was brought in by Mangini. He never played in a 3-4, ever. If he showed any promise I am pretty sure they would have signed him or made an attempt. Fact of the matter is, not one team running a 3-4 signed him. Don't you think it possible, the 3-4 was not the right fit and the teams running it knew that?
Show me where it says he was brought in. What other 3/4 teams need an NT like we do? Almost all NTs that play in 3/4 in the NFL never played a 3/4 previously. Grady Jackson is a massive run stuffing DT, he could easily hold down the nose.
if you play drob at some end, which ive read that he has done this season then yes two of them can play on the field at the same time alio
That's absolutely fair. That's if they choose to continue that experiment. I don't actually recall seeing him play end at any point this year. Can he do it?
I thought that would be a good idea too, but I don't think they are going to pursue it for a couple reasons. 1) They had plenty of opportunity to try it this year and they did very little of it. 2) DRob's cap number is like 12M next year and it would be retarded to keep him around as a project end. We will need to renegotiate his contract or we will need to let him go. He does not provide enough production to support that figure.
Chester didn't work out because after every snap he played he'd have to sit on the bench for 20 mins catching his breath.
Jesus christ it is common knowledge. Do your own research. He never played a down of 3-4. So wish away, no team that runs a 3-4 even looked at him other than the Jets. Edit: Fuck it............................... Jackson pays visit to Jets and Giants Thursday, August 17, 2006 BY DAVE HUTCHINSON Star-Ledger Staff HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. -- Veteran nose tackle Grady Jackson received a two-for-one special yesterday when he visited the Jets in the morning and the Giants in the afternoon. He didn't reach a deal with either team. Jackson's agent, Angelo Wright, said his client is in no hurry to sign and wants to find Jackson the right situation at the right price. Wright said Jackson -- who is 6-2 and 355 pounds -- is still a quality player at 33 years old and he wants to be fairly compensated. As for the Jets, Wright said the morning visit went well. The Jets, who gave Jackson a physical and brief workout, desperately need a run-stuffing nose tackle in the middle of their new 3-4 defense to make plays and protect Pro Bowl inside linebacker Jonathan Vilma. "We bring guys in all the time," said Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum. "We had a nice visit with Grady. We'll continue to bring players in. There's nothing imminent there." Currently, Dewayne Robertson and Kimo von Oelhoffen are rotating at nose tackle and neither is the prototype for the position that would require a constant double team, as would Jackson. After meeting with Jackson, the Giants plan to host 13-year veteran Brentson Buckner this week. Buckner's agent, George Mavrikes, said his client is scheduled to arrive in East Rutherford tomorrow. Buckner began his career with the Steelers and had stints with the Chiefs, Bengals and 49ers before finally landing with the Panthers in 2001. He was released by Carolina in March. Both Jackson and Buckner have a history with current Giants defensive assistants. Jackson played under defensive line coach Mike Waufle for four seasons in Oakland, and Buckner was with Pittsburgh while defensive coordinator Tim Lewis was the Steelers' secondary coach. The Giants have been looking for help at nose tackle since the first day of free agency, when they lost Kendrick Clancy to the Cardinals even though they thought they had a deal in place. They spoke with the agents for Buckner and Jackson in the spring, but did not pursue either player aggressively, perhaps knowing both would be available now. The Giants gave Fred Robbins a chance to win the starting spot at nose tackle at the start of camp, but he was unimpressive in last week's preseason game against the Ravens. Staff writer Mike Garafolo contributed to this report.
When Ryan left the Pats, he said he preferred his dad's defense. He ran strictly 4-3 in Oakland. Of course all the geniuses on here insist that he'd rather be a 3-4 coach and that he ran the other because Davis wanted it, which is crap. Davis was an offensive coach, and sticks his nose into offense. I doubt that Rob Ryan would have taken the Raiders DC job to be a caddy for Davis. The Ryan's aren't that type. Hey, maybe Mangini is a 3-4 only guy, and Ryan does have experience with it. But the Jets personnel is better suited to 4-3 and good coaches use what they have to the best of their ability. The Pats play 3-4 normally, but that didn't stop them from playing 4-3 in many situations and for complete games a couple times this year (basically benching Thomas).
Ryan tried to install the 3-4 in Oakland but they kept acquiring players that would not fit the scheme, so he changed up to 4-3. I don't know where you got the idea that he ran a strictly 4-3 for the Raiders. They actually made a big deal in the press about how Sapp was failing in that scheme.
Why Davis retained him is beyond me. Davis basically forced the 4-3 down Ryan's throat. Then again, he forced Ryan down Kiffin's throat. As desperate as the coaching world can be, who the fuck in their right mind would work under those conditions. Just one more reason why that organization is a cluster fuck.
Sounds kinda familiar, don't it? Like how TeddyC got hired and was forced to run the Tampa 2 instead of his accustomed 3-4 he was successful in Buffalo with?
LOL, nice try. This was 8/06, long before Tangini ever played a down of football. Back when they thought Drob and Pouha were the answer. Fast forward 1.5 yrs, now that everyone knows the Drob experiment is an utter failure. Did you even know that Grady was released a couple months back from Atlanta? Also, what do Jamal Williams, Vince Wilfork, Casey Hampton, and Jason Furgeson all have in common? They were all 4/3 DTs before being converted to NTs by their respective teams. Jackson is a well known run stuffing DT. He is 6' 2" 375+. He is right out of central casting to play NT.
Nice try with that red herring argument! What percentage of College teams run a 3-4? How old were those players when they started in the 3-4? Were they drafted into that system? Did they play the 4-3 at all in the Pro's if so how many of them? Did they play 14 years in the NFL before they started NT? Do not bother to answer that as your head may explode and destroy that erroneous/false/disingenuous comparison.
Exactly.... That we didn't even look at Jackson was infuriating to me. The guy had better potential as a stop-gap NT than anybody we're going to see in free agency this year.... Yet another foolish move by this FO
They did look at him and chose not to sign him. Yeah it infuriates me too that they did not sign a guy they worked out and feel did not fit the system.
