With where we will finish this season these could be ours. We need a BIG pass rusher to help Ellis, a BIG pigs to plug the OL and DL and a BIG WR to be the physical goto/jump ball get. I like BIG players and here are my picks in round 1-4. 1st Rd - Chris Long DE 6-4, 285 Virginia 2nd Rd - Duke Robinson OG 6-4, 330 Oklahoma 3rd Rd - Frank Okam DT 6-5, 320 Texas Or Red Bryant DT 6-5, 320 Texas A&M 4th Rd - Greg Carr WR 6-5, 210 Florida State Or Paul Hubbard WR 6-4, 215 Wisconsin No shrimps on this list.
Carr would be an interesting pick...he has been injured but is a pretty intriguing prospect plus he is tall
Which of your listed needs does Chris Long fit? He's not BIG by 3-4 DE standards, and while he would be a BIG pass rushing OLB, he's not fast enough.
How do you know that he can't perform at a high level in the NFL? You don't. The guy's motor alone should get him drafted in the Top 5. A tackle can't block a guy like him ALL game...he goes hard on every play, and when everyone thinks he's tired, he runs faster and makes a play. Duke Robinson is an absolute beast. I would love that pick.
Please quote where I said he can't perform at a high level in the NFL? I didn't. Look, I'm sure the guy is a nice player, but I guarentee he's going to go higher than he should based on name recognition. With that said, he is an extremely poor fit for the 3-4 defense. He's no tweener DE. He is a 4-3 DE, period.
He plays in the 3-4 already and is a dominant player. Name recognition has nothing to do with it. Sure, his dad is Howie Long...but Long wasn't named 1st team All-American because of who his dad is. He is the best in college football at his position. He dominates at the college level, and that usually translates over to the NFL, especially with defensive players. There are different types of 3-4 defenses, just like there are different types of 4-3s. Look at the Colts, they have an incredibly small defense, but use their team speed to their advantage and have a top 10 NFL defense. Mangini, a "defensive genius", COULD bring in Chris Long and use him all over the place and make him a dominant force in a different kind of 3-4.
Yeah, but Mike Mamula had a great motor coming out of Boston College some years ago. I'm 50/50 about whether I want the JETS to get this Chris Long - he might not be quick/fast enough to be an OLB and to small to play DE in the 3-4. I want 300lb DL in the 3-4, only - I'm tired of watching teams ram it down our throat for the past 10yrs. I'd rather try to trade down & get Vernon Gholston.....or even down further & pickup Gosder Cherilus.
OLB is a bigger need that WR for me. Ours suck to say the least. I would not mind a tall WR threat, but its less needed than the ability to get pressure off the edges. Thats the OLB's on passing downs.
If you have a top 5 pick at a position like DE you don't want to have to MAKE him into a great player. Being undersized is big deal for us because we're already undersized. He may play 3-4 end in college, but his physical size and skills fit a 4-3 DE better. Plus, why would he want to put on weight at the combine if a 4-3 DE makes more money? Just the fact that he's compared to guys like Kampman, Justin Smith, and Kerney says alot about what kind of D he should be in. Those guys are strictly 4-3 DEs.
Justin Smith and Patrick Kerney aren't "strictly" a 3-4 defensive ends. Kerney was drafted to play outside linebacker in the 3-4 and Smith played a lot of snaps at Mizzou in the two gap dime 3-4. About the 4-3 defensive ends making more money, if the Jets draft Long in the Top 5, he will be making A LOT more money than the 4-3 ends in this year's draft...he might not be one of those guys that's all about the money either -- he seems like a team guy that will do anything that it takes to win and the Jets need another guy like that. I didn't say he had to be MADE into a good player...he already is the best at his position, according to the guys that vote for the All-American team. I was saying that if Mangini is such a genius, then he can find a lot of creative ways to use Chris Long MAKING him EVEN MORE effective.
Mamula was a workout warrior. Chris Long has GREAT PRODUCTION ON THE FIELD. From what I have read the Jets are very high on him.
Soo...one was never a 3-4 end and one will never play 3-4 end as a pro...but did do it like 5 years ago at times? Did the Falcons play a 3-4 when they drafted Kerney? I thought he's been strictly a DE, in fact I'm sure of it. We also need a guy with size more than a guy with intangibles. Yes, but it's kind of hard to do when he's not fast or quick enough to play OLB and too small to play DE.
and remember, Bryan Thomas plays SOLB, which means he plays over the TE. If you stand Long up, he will play the weakside where running down the field is not as much concern as controlling the flat.
