No reason to use Clemens as Cannon fodder when we have a perfectly used up QB to put in that position. Playing with this OL and a banged up Coles and Cotch is not going to help Clemens progress. While I would like to get Clemens reps, I think we may well be subjecting him to the same situation that guys like Plunkett, Young, Williams, Carr and many other young QB's who have ability but were used up on bad teams with bad OL. Chad is signed and until we get our OL fixed which might take another two off seasons, I would prefer to let paid damaged goods take the beating. Chad allready has a dead arm and he is allready on the downside of his career, no reason to kill the future behind this line with no healthy WR talent. Let Clemens sit and learn from the master for another two years until we have a good OL in place and some young healthy talent at WR.
No way....let Clemens finish it out. Rest Coles, and lets try and beat KC. Remember we're trying to get @ least SOMETHING for Chad.
Ohhhh-nooooo... you guys wanted him... now he's the man. Time to keep giving the kid snaps. Sink or swim brother. :lol:
Yeah you're so right....for months people wanted Clemens in there. They don't like what they see....O'well. Give him a offseason/training camp before dismissing him.
KC is doing alright, it's the crappy play calling. He threw for almost 300 yards, Chad couldn't do that in 4 games.
Consider yourself flamed!!! Do you remember what it took to get us here? Do you remember why? Did you smoke crack over the weekend? Did the chicken or the egg come first? How come you drive on a parkway and park on a driveway? What is the sound of one hand clapping?
The kid has some talent but I've seen this to many times with other QB's, he isn't going to progress with this team the way it is now. I beleive guys have to sink and swim but right now the guy is nothing but cannon fodder. In case any one missed it the first and goal pretty much sumed it up for me. Thomas Jones who is a fairly competent, not great running back didn't have as much as an inch anywhere along the line on two straight running plays on 1st and goal. We simply don't have a man on our OL at this point and until we do, no point in wasting talent behind it.
Clemens for the rest of the season and then an offseason to bring in some competition for training camp. Chad is done and there's no point to putting him back in. Imagine us getting pasted by the Pats and then squeaking out a close one against Tennessee (which we will probably do if Haynesworth cannot play) and then beating on Kansas City in the last game of the season. That'd create a QB controversy that would not go away until we were 1-6 again next season. No point in that. The Jets need to make some serious plans this offseason and one of them revolves around what to do at QB. Getting more info on Clemens is an important part of the process.
Behind this line with Coles and Cotch pretty much running on fumes we aren't going to find out squat. There is no QB controversy as long as the HC doesn't create one. Worst case Chad plays well and we pick up something for him in return. If he doesn't play well which is likely we have more leverage to get him to take a reasonable backup salary. If a QB is available when we pick who is the highest rated player on our board we take him regardless of what Clemens shows. This team can't afford to pass on value and if we end up with two talented young QB's it's another chip to building the team anyway.
I had to read that twice... I see your point, but benching Clemens would probably do more bad than good. His confidence has to be shot and a benching would crush him. Once again the CS and the fans/media forced another young QB to start when he was not ready. Now those same fans/media are already turning on him... some people are just never happy. On a side note: I would love nothing better than to see CP start and beat the Pats, that would make a horrible season all of a sudden, wonderful. People may be fooling themselves but CP gives the Jets the best chance to win this week, too bad he will be holding a clipboard and hopefully learning the Ravens offense :grin: I shudder to think of what the score will be this weekend, it may be the Jets but the Pats will try to murder us, do not be surprised to see 50+ points.
I'm not turning on Clemens at all, he has already shown more nerve to stand in there than Chad and has been a better decision maker down the stretch of games. I don't see the point of killing him. Unlike a lot of people I think the Pats having clinched home field through the playoffs will shut it down early against us. The Pats are far from a lock to win the SB and that is their goal, not embarrasing a division rival who has already shown themselves to not be a worth opponent. The Pats are far more concerned with being healthy and ready to play the Colts in the playoffs who they know will give them back everything they can dish out.
I just hope Clemens doesn't get career long happy feet a la David Carr. He's getting hit a lot (he's actually averaging about the same number of sacks a game that Carr had in his record season) and that's just not good for a QB. Some guys never recover.
The book should not be closed on CP just yet, just because he broke down in 3 games does not mean he is done -- we will see if he is truly done when he gets a shot with some other team next year. I disagree, BB is an a-hole, he will try to embarrass us in the worst possible way. KC will get the beating of his life this week, both emotionally and physically. BB will not hold back on us. Brady will be going for it on 4th and 10 with the score 42-10.
Absolutely. I understand why they went to Clemens when they did, but the fact is Pennington is a better QB than Clemens is this week. We've gotten a good look at Clemens and we'll get more, but ten years from now people will be recalling this game if we win it. Just like they keep showing what happened with the 72 Dolphins, 85 Bears, 98 Broncos and 05 Colts, a win this week would be recalled for decades. To me that's bigger than getting a guy some more reps who may or may not be the answer to anything. On the field I'd consider this week a slightly bigger upset than when the Jets won at Buffalo the week after Dennis Byrd's injury, but with the Pats being unbeaten and us having one of their old coaches, this one would go down right behind Super Bowl III as the greatest upset we ever pulled. To win this one game, I'd certainly go with Chad. The Jets are 2-2 up there with him at QB, while I just can't see us winning there with Clemens right now. We're barely even scoring TDs except against Miami, and Cleveland was supposed to have the worst defense in the league. The same retards declared Vinny done five years ago and he still is starting in the NFL without even going to training camp. Chad will be a starter again somewhere if he stays healthy.
Penny is starting this week. Look at the video section of this page... http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/
Chad has not been a better Qb than Clemens at any point this season. He is where he belongs. On the bench!
There is the possibility that Clemens gets eaten alive early in the game and they end up going to Pennington at some point. That would be a classic for all times if he came in relief and we beat the Pats and stopped the perfect season. Bigger than the Monday Night Miracle... lol NOT THAT I THINK IT WILL HAPPEN. But, until we lose it is nice to dream really BIG.
It's more likely than him starting, actually. I doubt Mangini would do it just for one game for the sake of continuity, the same reason he waited as long as possible to go to Clemens in the first place. Taking him out of a game for at least a series or two is easier than changing the starter mid week and adding to the circus it's going to be anyway.
Its true. Not happy though, you don't do this shit with a young QB. Get him some real experience in a big game....even with the season over.
We go with Clemens for the rest of the year. The only time Chad comes back in is if Clemens gets his bell rung, which could happen.
