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Gonna go point by point with you here. Arm inaccurate? Check. Can't read the blitz? Disagree, see below for why. Pocket presence awful? Disagree. The Jets are running patterns they would not have considered running with Chad. There is a real deep option on almost every passing play and Clemens is reading that option as part of his progression. If he was just glancing deep for a millisecond and checking down on EVERY play then he would not be getting sacked as much as he is. Chad wasn't leading the Jets any better than Clemens is now, he was just dumping the hot potato off (against inferior defensesmainly) and walking off the field for Ben Graham on 75% of the drives. Questionable decision-making? Check. He's a first year starter not named Brady, Marino or Roethlisberger, that's what happens in that situation for awhile. Agreed. However, the Jets are not in a second half fetal slump every game with Clemens. They were with Chad. So whatever shortcomings you want to ascribe to the QB position in the overall scheme of things please add in (good in the first half and dead in the second - Chad, better in the second half, although not good enough - Clemens) So sorry but completing 4 yard passes and going into a fetal slump after half time does not inspire my confidence. The Jets have played tougher foes with Clemens in at QB than they did with Chad and with the exception of the Cowboys game Clemens has given the Jets a better chance to win this season than Chad did. If you think otherwise you were not actually watching the games very closely early on when Chad was padding his passer rating so brilliantly by completing meaningless passes that did not advance the Jet's cause. You're being premature and impatient. If your opinion is that we must get Marino, Roethlisberger or Brady before this team will be any good and that we must now that we have that person in the first 5 games they play for us then you will be waiting for a long time for this team to be any good. I don't know that Clemens is the answer yet but I have seen absolutely nothing out of him this season so far that suggests he is not the answer. I am much happier being in the Jets position with Clemens than I would be as a Giant's fan with Eli Manning. They are stuck with him for several more years and they don't know any better than we do if he is the answer. (The Super Bowl winning answer that is.) We can ditch Clemens and start over if we need to. Manning ties the Giants hands for a half decade. Agreed across the board. This is the big battlefield for the Jets to improve upon at the moment, in the trenches. Agreed on Clemens and disagree on Chad. Cooked is cooked.
This teams problem is coaching. Plain and simple. I'm not convinced upgrading our personnel will help the situation. In the offseason, the Jets downgraded at only one position on the entire team, LG... yet we upgraded at ILB, DE, CB, and HB hands down. Yet we still suck. Fix the coaching, then fix the players.
Kellen not the problem Chad was NOT the problem when he was getting roasted for the JETS losses and Kellen is NOT the problem now. The defense sucks and the OL is even worse. If the JET defense plays well we win even with subpar play from the QB position (see Steeler game). Neither Chad or Kellen are elite QBs at this point of their careers but both could lead a team into the playoffs with a decent supporting cast. The JETS don't have it! Having said that - Chad is the better of the 2 now due to better accuracy and instincts with Kellen having the brighter future due to more arm strength and mobility. We give way too much blame to the Qb for losses and way too much credit to them for wins. Football is played by a team not a single position. I think Kellen will be fine given time and a better supporting cast AND I think Chad will do fine wherever he lands next year.
Anyone writing off Clemens and Mangini right now are total idiots. I mean how impatient can you be? We have NO OFFENSIVE LINE. There is nothing he can do. Teams blitz us every down and the O line has him too scared to stay in the pocket for over 2 seconds. HE has shown moxy and an ability to make accurate passes and creative reads when he actually has time. Just calm the hell down, let's not ruin something that will be good. Fix the O line, and Fix the run game, and then we can accurately assess where he's at.
Clemens has the arm, he has the guts, and he has the mobility to be a top flight QB in the league. We're seeing growing pains right now. Underthrowing, overthrowing easy passes, of course he mixes in some beautiful completions to make it even more maddening. This is OK, we have to deal with it. If he's still doing this 3 years from now like Eli manning, then we've got problems. We need to get him a fortress of an offensive line. That's what Brady and Manning have, without it...they wouldn't be Brady and Manning.
How many times did Clemens fade back and throw the ball straight into the ground today? I counted 4. Certainly, that's not coaching or playcalling. Then other times at least two or three times a game he overthrows someone open on the sideline. Very distressing.
oh when he was being chased around at full speed and had no time to set????? yeah how dare he not deliver a perfect strike.
Clemens struggles when the Jets are forced into obvious passing situations(which the line can't handle). Unfortunately this happens alot because our dunce of an OC insists on pounding Thomas Jones into the line almost every first and quite alot of second downs for minimal if any gains. When he was allowed to throw on 1st downs today Clemens was 12-15 for 195 yards.
KC had a million opportunities yesterday against a bad D and he blew it. He has a stong arm but he lacks accuracy, he missed a ton of wide open receivers yesterday then threw that inexcusable INT at the GL. I'm not ready to quit on the guy but he's been awful.
Yes he has been but all the Chad haters will make excuses for him that they wouldn't make for Chad given the same situation. The int at the goal line was inexcuseable and something that chad would have never done.
Please, Chad did the exact same thing last year against the Bears when he played catch with Urlacher.
Yes he did and that was against one of the great defenses and the 1ST time, the 1ST time he EVER threw a red zone int, it wasn't thrown against a piss poor pass defense.
You said "The int at the goal line was inexcuseable and something that chad would have never done." If you want to qualify your statement now that's fine, but then qualify it. Because Chad has certainly thrown Ints at the goal line at this point.
If all it took to make a Brady or a Manning was a stout offensive line, there'd be more Bradys and Mannings. Kellen hasn't shown me that he's anything other than some guy with whom we tread water for three or four years, before drafting the next "great savior." But I'm willing to give him another year before setting that conclusion in stone.
Sorry I guess I should have said that 99.9% of the time Chad wouldn't have thrown that int, thanks for the correction.
