You obviously have no clue what you're talking about when it comes to college football, especially mid-majors...the Yale statement proves everything. A lot of mid-major teams are going to bowls --just not BCS bowls. There are also a lot of SEC and PAC 10 that aren't going to BCS bowls.
The top 16 teams in the nation should be in said playoff, no mid-major team should ever get in unless they are undefeated. The bowl games are all under contract with conferences(mid-majors too) about which teams get in. ACC schools are under contract for 7 bowls outside the BCS, if there isn't enough teams to fill the spots then they can invite who they want ie Mid-Majors or BCS conf. teams who don't get an automatic bid. Can you tell me what I'm missing here?
1. Yale isn't a mid-major team 2. Why shouldn't a mid-major team be considered for this playoff if they are consistantly good year after year? 3. Boise State proved that SOME mid-major teams are able to compete and beat bigger schools. 4. Those mid major teams that "fill the spots" earn their way into those spots, by winning enough games to become bowl eligable.
But don't mid majors play against inferior talent? I mean, they must suck vs the BCS schools. next thing you know is mid major athletes would be considered for awards...:lol:
hahaha...David Carr was a Heisman finalist. He and Trent Dilfer also went in the Top 6 of the NFL draft. SOME mid-major teams can compete with BCS schools. Fresno took TAMU into triple overtime and pretty much lost because of a Bulldog receiver fumbled the ball over the goal line. The Dogs also beat Kansas State (a BCS School!) pretty bad this weekend. I'm not trying to say that ALL mid-major teams should be on this playoff bracket -- only the TOP teams. Ex. Hawaii, BYU, Boise State, Fresno State These teams have been mid-major powers for a while. No one wants to play them. There's a reason for that. The talent of these teams can matchup with the talent of most BCS programs.
Hey, I'm a Fresno alum. I want Kevin Smith and UCF to tear it up next year...I'm a fan of small school guy's getting recognition. Now that I'm at South Carolina, I had the opportunity to see McFadden completely destroy the Gamecocks defense. I just think that Run DMC is the best, but Smith isn't too far behind. I know that most teams in the SEC would dominate the majority of the mid-major teams, but some of the mid-majors can play and they need to be given that chance. If Kevin Smith repeats what he is doing next season, I will jump on board. With mid-major guys, it's all about doing it AGAIN. They don't get the same recognition if they only do it once. If he does it all over again, I see no reason for him to not win the Doak Walker.
Why don't they earn it instead of using the weak conference to get there, this isn't like the basketball tourney where there is so many spots that it satisfy everyone or are you trying to tell me that a MAC team that is 7-5 is one of the 16 best teams in the country??? If this was a tourney with 64 teams or something to that extent I'd agree with you, but with only 16 teams in this it would be insane to use the same rules as the college basketball format. If a mid major team gets into the top 16 then they should be rewarded for it, not winning against a weak conference like the MAC
1. No shit I was just throwing a crappy football school out there. Would of it been better if I said Troy or something? 2. Once again the previous' years performance should have 0 impact on this season. 3. Any Given Sunday. Stanford beat USC should they get in? App. St.(Champ. Subdivision) beat Michigan should they get in? 4. In case you didn't notice the # of games to qualify for a bowl is 6 so you're saying a 6-6 mid-major should have a title shot rather than a 10-2 team that finished 2nd in a BCS conference.
They do earn it! I said "year after year" -- That means they are consistantly good. Mid-major teams also play against BCS schools during the season, and some have winning records against BCS schools. It's not like they only play D-IAA and conference teams...like Ohio State. In order for mid-majors to get in to the BCS now, they have to earn it by beating good teams and/or running the table. They aren't "using a weak conference", they are in that conference, they can't help that. Fresno State has UCLA, Kansas State, Tennessee, and another BCS team scheduled for next year, or 2009. If they run the table should they be in the National Championship because they "earned it"?
1. Troy is good...for a Sun Belt team. (They are 8-3, 6-0 in conference, with a win over OK State and a close loss to UGA) They deserve a bowl bid, not a BCS bowl, but a bowl bid. 2. Why not? The main factor for a team getting money and recruits is winning/success. The pre-season polls are based on what teams do in the previous season. 3. If Stanford is bowl eligable, they should get a bowl bid. App State shouldn't because they are D-IAA. The Any given "SATURDAY" (Most college games are played on Saturday if you forgot)...if you apply this Any Given Saturday rule, then that means ANY mid-major team could upset any BCS school on ANY GIVEN SATURDAY. 4. No, you called them teams that "fill the spots". I didn't say anything about the national championship. If a team has 6+ wins, I think they should get a both bid no matter what conference they're in. Basically what YOU said was that a 6-6 BCS school should get into a bowl game over an 8 or 9 win mid-major. and just for some extra information, to make you look even more clueless about the college game, Yale finished the season 9-1. They might be Ivy League, but they aren't "shitty".
WOW Yale finished 9-1, guess what I just made it up for the example. I could of said Holy Cross or Havard or Penn or Brown or any other Ivy league school it's just an example. Besides I was talking about the playoffs not just the bowl games. Mid-majors can make all the bowl games they want as long as they are worthy. As for the 6-6/9-3 response, as I said before EVERY SINGLE BOWL GAME IS UNDER CONTRACT WITH A CONFERENCE. So that 6-6 team in a BCS conference is a lock for a bowl game while a 9-3 mid-major might not get it unless they have a contract. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_bids_to_non-BCS_bowls There could be 5 undefeated mid-majors and none of them will ever play in the Gator Bowl(non-BCS bowl) because BCS conferences ACC, Big East, Big 12, & Notre Dame(practically it's own conference) and no one outside the conference will ever get in until there is a change in the contract. Any given Saturday any given Tuesday, any given Wednesday, an given Thursday, any given Friday. Guess what they play almost everyday. They even play on Sunday who knew..... Just eliminate the preseason polls. Start that stuff halfway through the season.
Then make the mid-majors need 10 wins and a conference championship to get in. Or a top 16 BCS ranking.
Couple issues I have with the plan: 1) I think Wetzel underestimates the potential scheduling issues of a 4 round tournament. That's a lot more football on top of an 11-12 game schedule. I know the lower divisions all do it but I doubt those divisions have the same spring/summer practice commitments or season travel commitments that BCS division teams have. Whenever I've thought about it I thought an 8 team playoff, with a return to the 11 game max season schedule, was realistically the most they could expand the schedule. 2) Why would a conference champion from a conference having a "down" year forego the huge payday of their BCS bowl in order to go on the road to play a 1st round tournament game? Seems like a huge revenue difference, unless the team actually makes it to the championship bowl game (unlikely if they are from a down conference). Timely example: if BC wins on Saturday, would they rather automatically go to the Orange Bowl or whatever - and get the accompanying payout, or have to go play at LSU in a first round road game that they are likely to lose? To me, the solution to both these issues is to have an 8 team playoff in which the 1st round games are hosted by the higher seeds and the semifinal games are BCS bowl games on New Year's Day. Then the Championship game would be a "plus 1" a week after New Year's at a neutral site. The four 1st round playoff losers, having lost in the 2nd week of December, would still be able to accept bowl bids, including the other 2 BCS bowls that are not hosting the semifinals in that given year. So for example, if OSU were to lose in the 1st round of the playoffs, as the Big Ten champ they would still be assured of their spot in the Rose Bowl, unless the Rose Bowl was hosting a semifinal game that year. Same goes for all other conference-bowl game relationships. And other teams without a conference championship automatic bowl tie-in would be free to accept offers from other bowls once they lose. Not sure if the above is making sense, but using Wetzel's hypothetical seedings (and for the purposes of this hypothetical let's assume VTech, LSU, and Missou all win their respective conference championships), and granting bids to the 6 BCS conferences plus 2 at-larges, here's how my system would play out this year: Sat Dec 8: 8 USC (Pac10) @ 1 Mizzou (Big12) 7 LSU (SEC) @ 2 WVU (BE) 6 VT (ACC) @ 3 OSU (Big10) 5 KU (at-large) @ 4 UGA (at-large) Assume higher seeds all win. Losers USC, LSU and VT, as conference champs, automatically get selected for the Rose and Sugar Bowls, KU can get invited but not necessarily, as the last spot is open to whomever the bowl chooses to invite. KU could also go play in the Cotton Bowl, for example. Jan 1: Orange Bowl (national semi-final): Mizzou vs. UGA Fiesta Bowl (national semi-final): WVU vs. OSU Jan 8 (or whatever day at least a week after Jan 1 which does not conflict with NFL playoffs): National Championship Still an issue, discussed at length in this thread, is this format will definitely leave out the unbeaten "midmajors" of the world. You could potentially fix this by allowing for an automatic playoff bid to an unbeaten midmajor so long as they meet a minimum BCS ranking requirement, like 15 or something. As far as other smaller conference champs, tough luck. The tourament is supposed to determine the best team in the nation. There's no way Troy or whomever is that. Unless they went unbeaten and played some decent non-conf opponents - in which case they would get an invite - they don't belong. To me this would be the best possible way to incorporate a playoff reasonably designed to crown a champ, without stepping on the toes of a) the bowls, b) conferences who want their automatic BCS bowl bid even when their conference is "down", or c) academia concerned about scheduling, which seem to be the major stumbling blocks to a playoff system. Thoughts?
The way I see it, you win your conference, and then win 4 or 5 playoff games vs other conference winners, you earned your title.. I don't care if you go 6-6 in the regular season.... Just like in the NFL.... If a team can win its division at 8-8, then run the table in the playoffs and win the Super Bowl, they earned their championship....
There's a big difference from the NFL and NCAA, the NFL teams are on equal ground while NCAA teams are in tiers(BCS conferences, Div I, Div IA Div IAA, etc.) BCS teams are generally the best in the nation so they should have a chance to win a NC vs teams in the lower conferences or else you might see teams move to weaker conferences and dominate them for an automatic bid every year.
That would be fine with me. That would put the UCF/Tulsa winner, BYU, Troy, and Hawaii in because they'll end up with 10 wins and a conference championship, but what about teams like Boise State, Air Force, the UCF/Tulsa loser that will all most likely end up with 10 wins also, but just lost out to the better mid major team, but still dominated in their conferences. I think at least one of those non-conference champ 10 win teams should get a chance at the playoffs too, whether it's through a play-in game, or an at large bid.
You can't give every mid-major the benefit of the doubt. The big-conference teams are better the large majority of the time. Giving them a chance to play on the big stage is good enough, we don't need to give 2 CUSA teams or 2 MAC teams the chance unless they have 2 great teams. Tulsa and UCF are not great teams. They have a few very good players, but they are not great teams by any stretch.
