Chris Long is a beast of the line i dunno the jets can use em either as a DE with his good strenth and quickness or as a OLB he's big and physical and has a good motor and can burst through opposing lines. Hope we got atleast a shot at em in the draft.
You have that right, but not in our 3-4. We are a very lighweight unit at the moment and need some serious weight added. DRob to end + BIG NT and another bowling ball type DE. Long is not a 3-4 LB and it would be a sensible thing if we stopped trying to dovetail players that don't fit.
I totally agree, and keeping Pennington would be the best scenario for B/U. No one you're going to bring in from the outside is going to totally bring to the table what Penny brings, although if he has to be inserted into a game, we know we're back to defenses jambing the box ad infinitum. It remains to be seen if Pennington can swallow his pride while taking a tremendous cut. If he can, he should stay. If not... adios.
Your keyboard to Mangini's brain! The one GLARING problem with our defense is forcing the 3-4 system on guys who are incapable of playing it. D-Rob needs to move over and a HUGE NT needs to anchor the middle. Then we build out from there. Instead of looking at 280-lb Chris Long, we should first be looking at a good, 360-lb NT to build off of.
Penny is gone. It is not about the Jets, but about Penny. Penny knows he's still good enough to be a starting quarterback in the NFL, and that there are plenty of teams out there that would want him. He is owed a HUGE bonus on June 1, so the Jets have to make a decision on him before then. Knowing his worth as a starter vs as a backup, as well as being a competitor who always wants to be on the field, he will simply say no when the Jets offer him a token contract renegotiation. The Jets can not afford to sink that large of a bonus into a backup and they will simply trade or cut him.
I don't know about anybody else, but I'm sick and tired of watching games in which our lines get pushed all over hell. It's gotten to the point where even the most superficial and unsophisticated of announcers mention how "big" other lines look in comparison to ours. It's almost embarrassing already... you go to a game and the freakin' linemen on the other side make our lines look like the Linden High School Tigers dressed in green and white. Speed is important, hell yeah, but by the 4th quarter, our lines have been so physically manhandled, they have no gas left in the tank.
Then so be it. I just hope that there really are these other NFL teams out there "that would want him," because maybe we could get something decent in return. My chief concern is that there is not such demand out there. Every other team in the NFL knows the story now on Pennington and how teams have been able to game-plan against him. I'm concerned that his value is not anywhere what we think it is.
It's easy for us to think that way but the fact is other teams have much more respect for Pennington than most of us do. In a league where numerous quarterbacks go in the first few rounds of the draft with all this "talent and potential", teams in the NFL are still led by the likes of Damon Huard, Cleo Lemon, Tarvaris Jackson, and even Vinny Testaverde to name a few. Pennington has a winning track record, and even though he met a rather messy demise here, he will be more valuable to most teams than an unproven rookie who will more than likely turn out to be another ticket carrying member hoard of former high draft pick busts.
Nevermind the fact that he has a twice repaired rotator cuff. I like Penny a lot but he is damaged goods if the Jets are going to cut him a team with any sense is just going to wait until June 1.
this is true, but do Long's sacks compare to Suggs'? also, figure we're picking at #3 or #4, how comfortable do you feel picking a player that high hoping he'll transition to a different position at OLB, because i don't see him as a DE in this scheme? if we're looking for a true pass-rushing specialist, i'd much rather try to trade down a grab Gholston or Groves.
If he won't stay, I sure do hope that another team overvalues him the way you seem to. I just don't see another team taking on our "problem child". Damon Huard was a stopgap waiting for Croyle, who is now starting. Cleo Lemon is their 3rd stringer behind the vet and the rook. Tarvaris Jackson is a bust, but Minny does have a killer run game and a pretty good D, so Chad makes sense there. Vinny is another veteran backup forced into by Delhomme's injury and Carr's incompetence. None of those examples with the exception of Minnesota would want a broken veteran as the starter for the foreseeable future. Even in Minny's case, it would just be as a stopgap. Even Baltimore seems headed for a rebuilding period in which to find their QB of the future. Sad as it sounds, I really don't see a better place for Penny than on our bench.
I certainly hope you're right (and I'm well aware of Vinnie Testaverde et al). And because of that, perhaps we're in a QB-demand "sweet spot" this spring, a seller's market, if you will. If that's so, we should pounce on that situation like a dog on a bone and take any good draft pick we can get and cut our losses forever with this guy. When you really think about it, if Clemens goes down, all the other team has to do is revert back to the old ways of dealing with Pennington's inability to throw the deep pass and we're right back to where we were. The market will determine Penny's value, and maybe right now that market could work in our favor. A year from now or even six months from now, that window may be gone. If I were Tannenbaum, I'd be looking to trade Penney in January while the market might still be hot.
I agree and that's why I'm fairly optimistic. I think Minnesota would be the logical choice for Penny since they are only a few pieces away, QB being the biggest piece... Penny also happens to be the best QB that will be on the trading block when the season is over. Drafting a rookie won't necessarily get Minny into playoff mode, while trading for Chad might. For the most part the Jets have been shrewd with their personnel and trading moves... the Barlow deal aside, I expect we'll get some decent compensation for Chad. A second round pick at least.
Gholston and Groves are very good pass rushers but dont forget about Derrick Harvey the best defensive player on one of the best teams in the nation not too mention he was the MVP of the 2006 National Championship Game. Only knock for us might be he's a little small for 3-4 OLB he's 6'4 262 but great speed and a hell of a motor.
I really think this is overly optimistic... way more than I could hope for, but I'll gladly take a 2nd Rounder if Tanny can get it. NOW the only thing is, what do we do for a decent B/U?
I have a feeling Tui would be given the opportunity to at least compete for the #2. I've read that he has been invaluable to the Jets in practices this year, and he also knows the system. I don't really know who would be available as a FA pickup for a backup. The Jets could probably draft someone late to serve that role.
