I don't know. Whether Clemens is the answer or not,Mangini kept Chad in as long as he possibly could. The fans and media made it clear they wanted the switch.
"I don't think the (quarterback) change was necessarily an indictment of any one person," Mangini said the other day. Good, because this is on him. If you are a Jets fan, if you have really followed them this season, tell me you're still sure this thing is going in the right direction. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...big_apple.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ Yes, it is on him. He's done a lousy job this season.
Well, at least you're certain about being not sure. :grin: And if he's lost the team, which I also have suspected early on, that is completely on him.
Mangini has not blamed Chad at all for this. In fact by him staying with Chad so long he was making a statement that Chad was not the problem. He clearly thinks Chad gives them the best chance to win but when your playoff hopes are gone theres no reason not to see what your young backup can do. Actually whoever wrote that should look in the mirror because if anything it was the media and the fans who blamed Chad not the coach.
he hasn't said it at all. there is nothing in that article that reveals that Mangini has blamed Chad -- that is merely the writers interpretation of what benching Chad means. I don't know what is worse, the disingenuous interpretation by the writer in the article or the disingenuous of the title of your thread. But how you can confuse a writers meritless opinion as fact and then attempt to purport it as fact as well is just mindblowing and dishonest. yes, benching Chad was the right decision. no, that doesn't equate in any way that the failures of this season lie squarely on Chad and that Mangini is attempting to do so.
yup, it was, but a whistle blower will frequently end up with egg on his face, too. That reminds me of when someone says "it's not about the money". :rofl2: Mangina has been intellectually dishonest with the fans and media, and isnt trustworthy, so writers are entitled to draw their own conclusions from the events they observe.
Pennington taking blame for Mangini decisions Sunday, Nov 25, 2007 7:40 am EST Mike Lupica, columnist for the New York Daily News, wrote New York Jets coch Eric Mangini has no offense and he has a kid, Kellen Clemens, at quarterback, and guess what? The coach has no idea whether the kid has the real goods to be a real NFL quarterback or not. He still made the move off Chad Pennington, and one of the things that did, whether Mangini wants to admit that or not, was make this all seem as if Pennington were the cause of this disaster. Just opinions 'Blue. I did say also As far as the team goes with major changes , the only thing he has done , right or wrong is bench CP , wheather that was pressure from the media and or Fans remains to be seen. We need to see what we have in Clemens and are now getting that look. I don't necessarily agree with the article but understand the writers point of view and think that he does have a valid point. It doesn't matter who it is , when things go wrong in life accepting responsibility is the last thing that anyone wants to take on , proportioning blame is always the route one.
It doesn't say that Mangini flat out blames Chad for all of this. Even if that was the case, then Mangini is wrong. When the whole team doesn't get it done during the game, then you can't sit there and pin-point one player. There are plenty of reasons why the Jets are a 2-9 team, and I hate to brake it to some of you, but it isn't all Chad faults.
What's intellectually dishonest is the reporters don't like Mangini because he hasn't given them much. Could this be about payback for being taken out of the loop? Could it be the reporters who are being intellectually dishonest? It's an opinion, it's editorial, it's not reporting at all but why not attribute the coach for being intellectually dishonest after all the coach didn't really say anything so obviously it's okay for us to make us stuff. Whistle blower are very often retaliated against, black listed and some of them and up lossing everything for what ever reason they do it, but egg on their face? Interesting take.
Thats bullshit Mangini aint blaming this season on chad. We need to sign the players who fit what where doing here and so far it hasnt happened.
We dont know if Mangina will be blacklisted until he looks for another job. Egg on his face is a mild repercussion compared to retaliation, but there's no doubt he didnt come out of it unscathed. Most people seem to think the retaliation will come if the Pats run up the score on the Jets in Foxboro next month. And yes, he's been intellectually dishonest with the fans, for example by saying that benching Pennington was not an indictment of him. He must think we're all too stupid to have seen how poorly CP played. I'm quite sure that benching your starting QB is not exactly a vote of confidence.
So what did you want Mangini to do? Come out and say, "Chad sucks and his career is over. So i showed him where to sit on the bench." Honestly. Do you REALLY need or want a head coach who would throw a player who was the face of the franchise and gave his heart and soul to the team under the bus? Think about it.
For a guy who has said that Mangini has lost the team I could just see you as the HC saying that Chad has really stunk up the joint and the reason I'm benching him is our season went down the drain because of how poorly Chad played. We all know Chad has had two shoulder surgeries couldn't get the ball out and was taking a beating and because of it his decission making wasn't all that great. You think it would be intellectually honest for the HC to nail Chad to the cross in a press confrence because he wanted to see what Clemens could do and if he was the future of this franchise? What some people call intellectual dishonesty may have something to do with making a change from the face of the franchise without kicking the guy. Not to mention that he may have made the change for the simple reason that the season was pretty much done and he wanted to get a good long look at Clemens now rather than wait until next year?
I'd rather have a coach who says, "it's apparent that for whatever reasons, we havent had the results we hoped for with him in there, so I thought it was time to make a change. And Kellen has earned the opportunity". I can smell bullshit a mile away, and we have only seen the tip of the iceberg with mangina. I'd appreciate a little more forthrightness from him with the fans. unless he doesnt care what we think of him, in which case you reap what you sow. Maybe your tolerance for b.s. is higher than mine. Oh and btw, he throws the players under the bus every week when he starts listing the "poor execution".
I could care less what he tells the fans... I don't feel a sense of entitlement... I wanted Clemens to start... he's starting... who gives a shit what reason he gives as to why... also there's a big difference in calling out someones single game performance and the decision to bench the face of your franchise...
Isn't your line BS too? "For whatever reasons" means we are having bad results and we don't know why, but we certainly do know one reason, and that's Chad's play. Your comments aren't exactly the most straightforward. If you want to put it bluntly and not lie, this is what you say: "We are 1-8 and can't win any games. While this is a team game, we realize that we are not getting the quarterback play that we feel we need to win some of these close games. Kellen Clemens has played his way into the starting role in practice and it is about time we see if he can help us to redirect this franchise." Now people can say that's throwing Chad under the bus, but it's not. These are professional athletes and it's their job to take criticism and run with it. Would it be better to leave it in the locker room? Yes, obviously. But you can't because they're paid to be in the eyes of the media. Do I care if Mangini lies to the media? No, and I have absolutely no idea why you care. But the point is, your comment throws no one under the bus, but the truth is, that if you want the truth, you have to throw him under the bus. You don't have a choice.
