The Perfect/Most Realistic Mock Off-Season | Part II

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  1. jasonjets

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    After doing the first one, now about 2 weeks later I have come up with an even MORE perfect/most realistic off-season, and this one should last quite awhile. I have taken everybodys comments on the last one, and come up
    with a very good, very realistic off-season.

    1. Signings

    • FS Gibril Wilson: A very good safety on the Giants who would be a huge improvement over anyone we have there now. When no-name Abram Elam beats out both of your other FSs, you know you are in trouble. Wilson would add stability to this position for years, and combine with Rhodes as a top 5 safety tandem in the NFL. Smith looks OK-good, but I feel we need to shake up this defense in anyway we can, and Wilson will definitely do that.
    • OL - Stacy Andrews: A OT/OG who the Jets looked at this past off-season as a restricted free agent. I fully expect him to be on the Jets this year if they cannot sign one of the top OGs in this free agent class (which, with cheapo Tannenbaum, it doesn't look like they will). He is a great run-blocker and still very young. Could be a great OG in the future next to Mangold and D'Brickashaw.
    • NT - Ethan Kelley: Will be a staple in all of my off-season until he is signed by us or somebody else. He is somebody who hasn't been talked about a lot. He was drafted as a NT for the Pats in the 7th round in '03. He has since learned under the greatest NT of all time, Ted Washington, in Cleveland. Only 27 years old, and is 6-2, 340 lbs. Absolutely perfect.
    • DE/LB Travis Laboy: Another staple in my off-seasons. Already has 5 sacks this year with only 8 tackles. Wow! 6-3, 260 lbs. on the Titans. A very good pass rusher who I think could strive in this type of 3-4 defense. He could challenge Bryan Thomas for a starting job.
    • TE - Ben Hartsock: A former 3rd round draft pick in 2004 out of Ohio State, and was very good in college. He has been stuck behind some great TEs in Indianapolis and Tennessee though, and has not gotten a chance to shine. He would be used much more in our scheme, and could even possibly start (As Chris Baker is not near the talent level of Dallas Clark and Ben Troupe).
    • QB - Josh McCown: Someone who has started in the past, and who can come in if Clemens fails. With Russell and Walter and possibly Culpepper in Oakland, McCown will probably not be around next year. Would be a great backup to Clemens, and is a similar quarterback to him, or atleast more so than Pennington is.

    2(a). Not re-signings

    • TE Sean Ryan
    • LB Cody Spencer
    • FB Stacy Tutt
    • QB Marques Tuiasasopo
    • FS Erik Coleman

    2(b). Releases

    • LB Matt Chatham
    • WR Justin McCariens
    • DT Dewayne Robertson - Surprising move. We will not be able to trade him because he has not been productive in either defensive scheme and his contract is ridiculous. We need to get rid of his contract, and it is hard to let him go because he was such a high draft pick, but it has to happen. I see a Byron Leftwich-type situation with Robertson.
    • CB David Barrett

    3. Re-signings

    • FB Darian Barnes - 1 year: I would rather a more versatile FB, but it seems our coaching staff just wants a FB who can black. Barnes can do that, but he isn't any great FB. Try him out for another year and see what he can do.
    • FS Abram Elam - 1 year: Has been very good for us, and we should keep him as a backup. A solid safety, but nothing special. Give him another year.
    • CB Hank Poteat - 2 years: We signed him to a 1 year deal last year, and he has continued to do well, starting for us at times. He deserves a multi-year contract for his work here; although he is getting old.
    • LB Brad Kassell - 2 years: Has been a very good backup ILB for us and great on special teams. Award him with a multi-year deal.
    • OT Adrian Jones - 2 years: A young OL who has provided very good depth for us. We should try to keep him around, although his character is a in question a bit.
    • LB Victor Hobson - 2 years: He was great in the 4-3, but has been very average in the 3-4. A move to ILB will suit him well, but we have no clue how he will do there either. Give him 2 years to see how he is there. At worst, he is an amazing backup.
    • OL Wade Smith - 3 years: He has been so good for us, and we need to keep him around. Can fill in anywhere along the offensive line. I want this guy to stay.

    4. Trades

    • Trade Jonathon Vilma to Detroit Lions for their 2nd Round Pick
      (thinking of around #17 in second round)
    • Trade our 1st Round Pick (predicting #4) to the Dallas Cowboys for their two 1st Round Picks (predicting #13 and #30)
    • Trade Chad Pennington to the Minnesota Vikings for their 4th Round Pick (predicting #9 in fourth round)

    5. Draft

    • 1(13) - OLB | Quentin Groves | Auburn | 6-3 | 255 | 4.60:

      The pefect playmaker at OLB for this 3-4 defense. He is litterally exactly what we are looking for. Chris Long is gone by now, so DE is not an option. We need a playmaker like Groves for this defense and it is necessary for our 3-4 defense to have this type of guy.

    • 1(30) - CB | Mike Jenkins | South Florida | 6-0 | 200 | 4.50:

      We do in fact need another CB to go along with Revis in the secondary. Dyson has moved into more of the #3 slot, and Miller has never been good during the regular season at CB. Jenkins, I believe, will be the best senior CB coming out this year. He has great size and speed and will make the secondary amazing for years and years to come.

    • 2(4) - DE | Frank Okam | Texas | 6-5 | 320 | 5.10:

      A huge body who some think would be a NT, but really he would be amazing as a 3-4 DE. A huge run-stopper and great size for the position. Would be wonderful in this defense and would be one of the biggest 3-4 DE in the league.

    • 2(17) - OT | Kirk Barton | Ohio State | 6-6 | 310 | 5.15:

      RT is a must early on in this draft. Clement is very average, and we need somebody to take his spot in 2009. Barton is flying up draft boards and might even go earlier than this. He plays RT at Ohio State, so would have a smooth transition to that position in the NFL. A great character guy and a great run-blocker, more importatnly.

    • 3(4) - ILB | Beau Bell | UNLV | 6-3 | 245 | 4.70:

      The perfect size and speed for a 3-4 ILB. Would be great next to David Harris for years. He is a guy that is always around the ball and is a very hard hitter (much like Harris in fact). A very solid overall football player who will fit this defense wonderfully.

    • 4(4) - WR | Marcus Monk | Arkansas | 6-6 | 225 | 4.65:

      A humongous WR who would be great for an endzone threat. Would be a 4th or 5th WR right out of the gate and a possible replacement for Coles in a few years. Has the most recieving TDs in Arkansas history and had 11 last year in limited time. A TD machine. We have too many 6-0 WRs, you add a massive 6-6 guy to the mix and it will completely change the opposing defenses scheme.

    • 4(9) - OG | Jordan Grimes | Purdue | 6-3 | 325 | 5.40:

      A huge OG and run-blocker. Would provide great depth on the offensive line and could challenge for a future starting spot. One of the best OGs in this years draft, and a solid overall prospect.

    • 5(4) - NT | Frank Morton | Tulane | 6-2 | 330 | 5.25:

      6-2, 330+ lbs., and a great run-stopper; a perfect NT who we can groom and challenge with Kelley. Not much more to say about him.

    • 6(4) - QB | Josh Johnson | San Diego | 6-3 | 195 | 4.65:

      This guy puts up some ridiculous stats in AA football. He has an amazing arm, and can run a little bit as well. Last year: 34 passing TDs, 5 interceptions, 720 rushing yards, 11 rushing TDs; This year: 36 passing TDs, 1 inteception, 590 rushing yards. WOW!

    • 7(4) - S | Jamal Lewis | Georgia Tech | 6-0 | 200 | 4.50:

      A solid athlete who puts up good stats at Georgia Tech. He could be cut, or he could be used very well as a special teams guy, I am thinking a la what Rashad Washington was for the past few years.

    6. 2008 Depth Chart

    QB: Kellen Clemens | Josh McCown | Josh Johnson
    RB: Thomas Jones | Leon Washington | Danny Ware
    WR1: Laveranues Coles | Brad Smith | Marcus Monk
    WR2: Jerricho Cotchery | Chansi Stuckey | Wallace Wright
    FB: Darian Barnes | Joe Kowalewski
    TE: Chris Baker | Ben Hartsock | James Dearth
    LT: D'Brickashaw Ferguson | Adrian Jones
    LG: Stacy Andrews | Jacob Bender | Jordan Grimes
    C: Nick Mangold | Wade Smith
    RG: Brandon Moore | Adrien Clarke
    RT: Anthony Clement | Kirk Barton

    LE: Shaun Ellis | Frank Okam | C.J. Mosley
    NT: Ethan Kelley | Frank Morton | Sione Pouha
    RE: Kenyon Coleman | Eric Hicks
    LOLB: Bryan Thomas | Travis Laboy
    LILB: Victor Hobson | Brad Kassell
    RILB: David Harris | Eric Barton | Beau Bell
    ROLB: Quentin Groves | David Bowens
    CB1: Darrelle Revis | Andre Dyson | Hank Poteat
    CB2: Mike Jenkins | Justin Miller
    FS: Gibril Wilson | Eric Smith | Abram Elam
    SS: Kerry Rhodes | Jamal Lewis

    K: Mike Nugent
    P: Ben Graham
    KR: Justin Miller | Leon Washington
    PR: Darrelle Revis | Leon Washington​
     
  2. jasonjets

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    Just to add another note, there are more than 55 players on this roster, but guys like Wallace Wright, Kowalewski, C.J. Mosley, Eric Hicks, Eric Barton, David Bowens, Jamal Lewis can always be cut.
     
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    4 picks in the first 2 rounds nice
     
  4. hazmat

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    Why do you have such a hard on for Ethan Kelly? If he was really good why would the Browns ever think of letting him go? Hasn't the browns defense sucked it up?

    Why do you call Tannenbaum el cheapo? They are trying to build the team through the draft and not get bogged down with horrible contracts like the ones they gave to Ellis, Robertson and Pennington. Historically signing big money free agents doesn't work in the NFL. And please I don't want to hear about the Pats, Moss and Stallworth were both acquired on the cheap and Welker was a great pickup.

    The Pats and Colts both built great teams through the draft, thats the only way to get good and stay good. Since Belichick went to the Pats they have given three free agents big money (Colvin, Thomas and Welker). I can't recall the last time the Colts actually signed a big time free agent. Same thing with the Steelers, they build almost their entire team through the draft. If you want a team that spends tons of money in free agency be a skins fan.

    If you draft well over a 5 year period you'll have a bunch of players under contract on the cheap who were coached by the same coach year after year. It's not flashy and it sucks to be patient but if you want to consistently have a chance to win a superbowl thats the way to do it.
     
  5. Mr Electric

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    Josh Johnson is sick...mainly because of Harbaugh.
     
  6. jasonjets

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    Sorry, the thought of a 340 pound man immediately brings me to the point of erection.

    First of all, it is cheapo, not el cheapo. And I call him that because he doesn't spend money on free agents - hence "cheapo". Not too hard to understand

    And I agree with the building through the draft thing, I dont know why you had to write an essay explaining that to me. That is why I acquired multiple draft picks and talk about building the team through the draft, as well as getting rid of these "horrible contracts" like Pennington and Robertson, as well as not signing every big name guy like in some mocks where Suggs, Faneca and Asante Samuel are all signed.

    Leave.
     
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    Leave? I'm not allowed to comment? You haven't explained what Kelly has done in his career that makes you want him so badly other then the fact the Pats drafted him and Ted Washington has been his mentor. I can think of plenty of 340 pound players who are horrible so it has to be more then just his size, right? I've never seen him play so can you tell me something about him? Will he demand a double team?

    Do you think if Tannenbaum threw around a ton of money this past off season we would be that much better of a team? You seem to realize that building through the draft is the key but you also are calling him cheap. They've spent money on some role players like Coleman, Bowens, Clement. They made a serious run at Runyan but he wanted to stay in Philly. Do you want them to spend serious money in free agency or do you want them to build through the draft?
     
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    Kelley size definitely plays a HUGE part in it. I would actually like to know a lot of thse 340 pound guys in the NFL who are doing so poorly. But Kelley has been considered the best true NT free agent this year, and has been a great run-stopper since college, as well as he challenged Washington for his starting job this off-season. I am not a Browns fans so I don't know that much about him, but any 340 lb. NT that can challenge Ted Washington for a starting spot we should take a look at it, hopefully sign.

    I do want them to build through the draft, but it would obviously help if they signed some impact players. The team definitely would be better if he threw around a ton of money this off-season. I never said I wanted him to do it, but it is never bad to get a great player from FA here and then. Basically, what I mean is I definitely want them to build through the draft, but signing a big impact player in FA would help, or even a upper-echelon player but not a star, but Tannenbaum is too cheap to do that. Knowing that they have to build through the draft doesn't have any correlation with Tannebaum being cheap. I am not asking him to go out there and spend money on every big FA available and built the New York Knicks, but I don't see how it would be bad to get one of the top players at a position of need through FA.
     
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    If there was a true elite player available at tackle, guard, nose tackle or outside linebacker then I would not be against throwing around money. But that player would have to be a few years under 30. You know it's going to cost you 60-70 million. Thats a ton of money to invest in one player and historically it has no worked in the past for any team.

    What happens if that player gets hurt? What if he doesn't fit in your locker room? What if he gets hurt?

    The true elite players rarely ever see free agency. And one player doesn't make that much of a difference unless you're talking about Tom Brady, Walter Jones, Dwight Freeney that type of player.

    In two drafts we got potential pro bowl players at LT, C, QB, CB and MLB. The left tackle has a large contract but the other 4 players are under contract long term at reasonable numbers. We can control Revis for 6 years and I think those last two years will be well under market value for a top of the line corner. I'm not saying all 5 will be pro bowlers but I think they all have the potential to be that good.

    I'm not against free agency I just wouldn't spend large amounts of money on a few players. Obviously the Jets are going to have to address left guard, right tackle, nose tackle, weakside linebacker sooner rather then later. I'm hoping that they can trade off Pennington and Robertson for a few mid round picks. If they did get the third pick and Mcfadden was available I would hope the Cowboys would be willing to give up their 2 first round picks to get him. I'm sure they will be more aggressive this offseason in free agency since they were way to content with the team this past off season. Whatever they do to this offseason whether it's draft or free agency they have to get some big bodies in here to win the battle at the line of scrimmage.
     
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    Dude...I think he wanted you to "leave"
     
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    FB Darian Barnes - 1 year: I would rather a more versatile FB, but it seems our coaching staff just wants a FB who can black.


    WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:







    :rofl:
     
  12. johnnysd

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    You obviously put a lot of work into this, but I disagree with a lot of it.

    First of all, there are many here who think we should make a huge splash in free agency. Many would like us to go out and sign Faneca AND Suggs. Will never happen, and it shouldn't. Big ticket free agents have never been proven to be worth the gamble, and signing them can set your team back many years as you go into cap hell. We will continue to sign mid-range free agents and build through the draft.

    Dewayne Robertson - The Jet FO likes him a lot. He is not going anywhere and will certainly not be released. There is no conflict between him and Mangini like in the Leftwich situation. We are a worse team without him. He is not a dominant NT, but he is a very good player.

    Wallace Wright - Our best special teams player, and an emerging WR that may get some time at CB. Will never be cut. He will be on the 55 man roster next year barring injury.

    We right now are headed for a Top 3 pick. I actually think Kellen will win some games and get us to 4-12 or 5-11 and pick 6 or 7 maybe lower. If we do wind up in the top 3, I think that there is almost no chance of us trading down. Not necessarily because we do not want to, but because of the trade chart and the fact that teams do not want to saddle themselves with the huge salaries and bonuses those spots get. If we wind up with a top 3 pick we are likely stuck with it.

    We need to draft WR in the first two rounds. We are very thin at WR, and Kellen needs weapons. Keeping our offense on the field helps the defense as much as a player addition can.

    Jacob Bender will start next year, probably at RT. Which leaves LG as the big hole on the OL. Bender can also play LG, so we will probably draft OL in round three or four where we should have multiple picks from Pennington and Vilma.

    I see our needs as OLB (so I like your first pick), WR, NT, CB, and OL in that order.
     
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    You said you don't want to make a big splash in free agency and that we shouldn't sign any big names and "continue to sign mid-range free agents and build through the draft." - That is exactly what I did. I did not sign any big names and a lot of mid-range free agents, as well as acquire more draft picks, so I don't see the problem there.

    I understand that he is a good player ... but in the 4-3. He does not fit anywhere in the 3-4 and he is just not a very good player in the 3-4. I know there is no conflict between him and the FO, but he has a huge contract and is very average, or even below average, in this defensive scheme, so he will probably have to go.

    I didn't cut him. I just said he COULD be cut, but did not cut him, because I had a few more players than 55 on the roster. I like him, and he probably will be on the roster next year.

    You said, YOU expect that we win a few more games. This is not where we are headed, it is where I predict where we are headed. You predict we are headed to 6th or 7th, I predict 4th, I don't know how you can disagree here.

    I wouldn't mind drafting a WR in the first two rounds, it would not be bad at all. But with Smith and Stuckey, we can see how they develop a little bit before spending a 1st day pick on ANOTHER WR. But a 2nd round wideout wouldn't bother me.

    Ok. I drafted O-line in rounds 2 and 4. I don't know why they would groom Bender as a LG now, just to change his position next year though. They might as well groom him for RT this year, instead of switching his positions back and forth.

    Well, there are no good NT available in the first few rounds, so that is why I adressed it in FA and later in the draft. And I got the rest of your needs early, besides WR, like you wanted.
     
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    Since noone else mentioned it, I might as well. We got completely ripped off in your trade down from the 4th spot. I understand you wanted to make another first round pick in this "perfect" offseason but that would be a ridiculously bad deal.
     
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    Trade value chart is #4 worth 1800, #13 + #30 = 1770.
     
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    It should be noted that as of now the two Dallas picks are 22 and 30. Based on the way things are currently going, it would be a horrible trade.
     
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    I would have no trouble trading from 3 to 22 and 30. You can get two studs at 22 and 30 much cheaper then one overpriced bust waiting to happen at 3.
     
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    Dressen they are pointing out, that Dallas had better be giving us way more than 22 and 30 because otherwise we are giving up like 1000+ trade value points. We would need more compensation, say Marion Barber or Terrence Newman for instance.

    How cool would that be if we traded #4 to Dallas for Terrence Newman, #22 and #30 which we turned into Quentin Groves and Frank Okam? come on, how could you argue that trade did no go amazingly our way? The only way you can argue that, is if both Groves, and Okam are busts, and Mcfadden is HOFer. And I also serioulsy doubt that happens. If our Defense did not become stellar after that draft, i don't know what would have to happen to make it happen.
     
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    Replace your OG with Alan Faneca and I think we're solid on that off season. Faneca isn't happy in Pittsburgh anymore and wants out. He'll be a marquee free agent and we neeeeeed him to rebuild the interior offensive line. A lot of teams will be after him but we can win him.
     
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    According to the board then yes they would have to give more. But getting fair value when you're trading out of the top 5 is difficult. As much as you may get an elite player you also have to pay that elite player a boatload of money. And that makes the pick worth less then what the draft board says at least to me. I would take two late first round picks over a top 5 pick any day of the week. The way our front office drafts, having multiple first round picks again would be great.
     

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