I really do think the blame for this falls completely on Boras and not Arod. Granted, Arod had to say ok but Boras could sell sand to an Arab.
I really think this is the point. Boras convinced ARod and his wife that he could keep the Yankees in the discussion, while getting other teams to submit bids to artificially inflate his worth. I really think Alex planned all along to stay with the Yankees, and he let himself be convinced that this little ploy would increase his overall value. What if Boras said to him: "Look Alex, they're bluffing. They want you, and they need you. Who could they possibly replace you with? We'll get them to negotiate, and probably garner an extra 3 or 4 million a year for the trouble. All we need to do is get a few other teams involved in the discussion, which we can't do if you allow the option." Any idiot is going to listen if someone tells them they can get their hands on an extra few million, if it also means they are where they want to be on top of it. If Alex is serious about wanting to remain with the Yankees, he needs to give Cashman a call, tell him he wants to meet with the Tampa people face-to-face, and swallow his pride. If he humbles himself, I think the Yankees would open talks with him. I don't know if he's got it in him to do that though.
I agree, or fire Boras. The Yankees know full well that if they get involved Boras will just use them like he did once before. That, much more so than the 30 million from Texas, is why they didn't want this to happen. Hell, he could fire him and save the 10 or 15% or whatever it is now and represent himself. He has a basic idea of what he's worth and what he saves in that commission would more then make up for anything he might lose in the negotiation. It really comes down to what he wants and I don't think anybody knows that at this point. Does he really want to end up on a team like the Giants where he will never have a chance to win anything the rest of his life? For sure the Yankees will not deal with Boras on this anymore.
You can't possibly believe that Boras is that stupid and has left himself that vulnerable. Believe me, he has a contract in place with AROD whereupon Boras will get his full commission whether AROD represents himself or gets other representation.
Maybe, but I'm not sure that is even legal. There seems to be some pretty strict rules on agent representation that the union controls. I know other players fire their agents all the time. The more I think about it that couldn't possibly be legal. Take the hypothetical mid salaried player who is due for a new contract and for whatever reason pisses off his agent and that agent refuses to seriously try to get him a new contract. He couldn't fire him? Or take this hypothetical case with Arod. Boras tells him if he opts out the Yankees will still be involved and now they aren't. I think he would have every right to fire him and pay him nothing.
I doubt he fires Boras. Like him or not, he gets the job done for his clients, regardless of the effect to the team they play for, or MLB in general. And that's his job. He does it at the top of the game. Alex would be a fool to fire him. And he'd still have to meet with the Yankees' brass with his tail between his legs.
Its definitely legal. Just take a look at any standard real estate contract you sign with a multiple listing agent. The normal contract is 6 months. It says if you decide to sell your home by yourself, or seek other buying representation, your commission is still due in full. As far as your argument in your para. 2, you are talking about a whole other arena, ie, negligence. A far as your argument in para. 3, its legally called "heresay" and is not enforceable in court.
You can't compare a real estate contract with a sports contract that is enforced by a specific set of rules laid down by the union. Again, I'm not sure if there is a rule against that or not but I can see where there would be. As far as #3, I'm sure if he said it, he said it to both Arod and his wife together. His meetings were with both of them and it would fall under incompetence.
You guys continue to try to convince yourselves that it's all Boras yet forget that the player tells the agent what to do? Do you guys really think that Alex is as stupid as you are making him out to be? This guy knows what he's worth and he knows that there are teams not named the Yankees that will pay him. Yes Boras is manipulative but give Alex some credit. As far as teams having players to sign Mets: Delagdo 08 with an option for 09 (The Mets can buy him out for 4 million) Pedro 08 Beltran signed through 2011 Wagner 2009 Alou 08 El Duque 08 Reyes 2011 Wright 2013 Mota 08 Humber 09 Pelfrey 09 The key players are signed through 2011 so I don't think the Mets are too worried about losing guys. The Mets also have a regional sports network as well as a new stadium, I don't think they'll have finaincial issues if they signed Arod. Look how much $$$ comes off the books next year... if Delgado does not come back they'll have an extra 40 million to spend. The key is you'd have Wright, Reyes, Beltran and Arod together for at least 4 seasons. As far as the Angels Vlad 09 Anderson 09 Cabrera 08 Escobar 09 Matthews Jr 11 Lackey 09 Figgins 08 The Angels definately need to worry about resigning players..... Boston Lowell (FA) Manny (club option for 10-11) Drew 11 Ortiz 10 Lugo 10 Varitek 08 Matsuzaka 12 Becket 10 Crisp 09 Okajima 08 Not sure about Ellsbury and Pedroia Cubs Zambrano 13 Soriano 14 Lee 10 Ramirez 12 Lilly 10 Cubs have the pieces to make a WS run if they sign Arod Dodgers Scmidt 09 Furcal 08 Kent (cub option for 08) Lowe 08 Nomar 08 Penny 09 Pierre 11 with a ton of young guys........
It's kind of funny but most of the people on here that bashed Arod were Yankee fans. Met fans criticized him for things he did ie; the swipe, the yell and the hard slide but I don't recall too many Met fans bashing Arod.
The ARod bashing was from the Yankee fans.. If anything the Mets fans were arguing for ARod, not against him..
You are 100% right. You can also add Mets fans raising the issue about whether he really is an "unclutch" player. All of those are legitimate comments, and are not bashing. The people who repeatedly said "ARod sucks," "I hate ARod," etc., were all Yankee fans.
Exactly which is why I'd love to see the Wilpons open their check book and make him a Met, let him break the HR as a Met and watch him hoist the WS trophy as a Met. Sooner or later the guy is going to come through in the playoffs and maybe just maybe he'll do it in orange and blue.
i think there is a fine line between bashing and criticism. criticism relates mostly to his play and is posted on the basis of wishing/hoping for the player to improve. bashing is more harsh, with comments unrelated to baseball and less constructive. I think that we both know that there are yankees fans on this board that love arod and those that hate him.(obviously arod opting out immediatley changed many peoples opinions, i am talking about pre-opt out.) Using an absolute and saying that no mets fans bashed arod is an outright lie. Edit: im not gonna name names but there are some people on this board that do nothing but bash the yankees. I mean literally, post after post doing nothing but hating on the yankees in yankees threads. I think we on this board have a tendency to see a few stupid people posting stupid comments, trash talking all the time, and have a perception that all of the other fans of that team are the same. the majority of posters here offer intelligent, constructive, opinions and a handful of dumbasses make everyone else look bad. haha, i wouldnt even know where to start bashing the mets. i have no problem with them at all.
Mets fans hated A-Rod as a person when he was a Yank. Thats utter crap if you expect me to believe that any met fan respected this man
As a Met fan, I hated him at first, but when it dawned on me he was our only hope to top Bonds' home run total, I came around. A bonus was of course that I would then be able to antogonize Yankee fans by liking A-Rod. I really hope we get him...
hey as a Met fan , I don't respect him as a man, but I do differentiate respect for him as a person versus respect for his abilties on the baseball field...... and as a ball player, there are not too many better if any at all.....I don't think the Mets get him though.....I'm sure he want out of here all together and off to the left coast he goes
That was my big thing this year too. Every HR he hit this year felt like a big FU to Yankee fans for the treatment he received in previous years. I'm convinced he decided last year to bite his tongue, have as good a year as possible, and opt out as soon as humanly possible. Doing it while the Sox were moments from their championship (already a moment of angst for Yankee fans) might have been by design to maximize the effect.
