Same drivel every thread. Winning in the NFL comes down to one thing..................... You ready?............................................,...................................... QB Play. Right now we have one of the bottom 3 QB's in the league and guess what? The Jets are not winning!
By perhaps having a QB that can drive down the field? And why don't we have a running game? Is it because Leon and Jones are not very good RBs? Come on. This is getting tired now. No one is saying the defense is elite, but the offense doesn't bother to score. And this is not just this week, it's every damned week. We've played some of the bottom-feeders in the NFL in terms of defense already. And we still can't score. We have two legit pro-bowl talent WRs, and a legit 1,000+ yard rusher, along with awesome trick players like Leon and Brad Smith. Yet we can't score more than our opponent, no matter how much or how little they score. Please. The answer is simple, as long as you're looking for it.
This is the bottom line in a nutshell. Our defense s**ks and it will take years to fix. Period. Both of our wideouts have pro-bowl potential. We can pass block long enough to give Chad time to throw most of the time. If we had a Qb who could throw we would have a punchers chance to win games. Because Palmer can Throw the Jets D had to be honest and their running game beat us. Palmer showed us what a Punchers chance to win was yesterday. On a good day he can do it against anybody in the league despite his horrible defense with Jet castoffs like Shclegel. With Clemens at the helm we might have a punchers chance against other teams. With Chad in we do not. He needed to put 35 points on the board yesterday against the worst D in football and did not! Period! It is not his fault why we lost but it is time for CHAD to go! We need someone in who can win games DESPITE OR DEFENSE!
People seem to take the attitude that because the defense is terrible that we shouldn't worry about the QB. Which is nonsense of course. The defense is terrible and the QB is terrible. That's why the Jets are 1-6. Also, we've seen changes on the defensive side of the ball this season for poor play, and I think that's all that anyone is asking to happen with the QB position. Before the last 4 weeks I could at least understand people saying that the defense was the "bigger" problem but how can anyone defend Pennington at this point? In the last 4 games Pennington has had a game killing interception in the 4th quarter where the Jets had the chance to tie/win the game 3 times, with 2 of them being returned for TDs. In the other game he couldn't get the team into the endzone to tie from 2nd and 1 at the 4.
BIG problem with this team. They seem to play the opponents game week in and week out, with the exception of the Pats, maybe the Giants. Defensive game with Baltimore, horrible offense game with Buffalo, high scoring game with Miami, high scoring game with the Bengals, etc. Seems like we let the other team dictate the way the game is played all the time...no wonder we never win.
While I agree with you that Chad shouldn't start there is no way in hell that I am giving the D a pass in this game, 7-10 in 3rd down conversions while letting a 3rd down back gash you all game is the reason why they were in the field for so long.
QB play can be tied to all fasets of the offense, with out good OL play, there is no QB play, without a decent RB game your QB play is prone to suck, without good WRs your QB play is extremely limited, now that doesn't mean that I am giving Penny a pass because he stinks right now, but the QB is the most dependent position in the football field. And all that means nothing if your defense can't stop anybody, there is a reason why Cincy sucks as much as we do even though their QB is 10x better than ours.
Again, I'm saying the defense is good, but it is adequate. They've kept us in games all year long. We just can't manage to outscore anyone. We played the league's worst defense yesterday. And got outscored. It would have been even worse if not for what really amounts to a trick play when Penny threw that "bomb" to Coles in the first quarter. No one expected that play, so it worked. Notice it never worked again. The one other "bomb" Chad threw to Coles was 4 yards in front of his route. Chad's the big problem. Not the only problem, maybe not even the biggest problem, but he's a BIG problem all the same. That's the point. The sad thing is, it's the one problem that is immediately fixable.
Another, much more important reason for Chad to ride the bench is that with the strong likelyhood of a top 5 pick in next year's draft, it is imperative that we find out if Kellen Clemens is good enough to justify passing up the rare opportunity to pick a franchise QB next year. If KC isn't the real deal, we need to use that pcik on a QB to build this team around. Eight games should give us at least some idea of what he can do.
But at least their offense scores. The QB position defines the rest of the offense, not the other way around.
Who cares if their offense scores if they are 2-5 with higher expectations than we had? There is a reason why Brady went from very good and consistent to a football throwing god this year, the QB needs protection to perform and weapons to strike, otherwise he will be limited no matter who the QB is. Another example is Mark Bulger, he has been a Pro Bowl QB over the years, now with his offensive line crippled and weapons diminished, he is a more fragile version of David Carr
So Chad hasn't been getting any protection? Seriously? Come on bro, no, we don't have an all-pro OLine, but Chad's had some decent time to make throws. He just can't. As for weapons, you can't tell me that Coles/Cotch with B. Smith, and Baker as pass-catching options, plus Leon and TJ coming out of the backfield is not potent. Even an average QB should be able to create some points with this offense. Chad is not an average QB.
If the Bengals suck as much as the Jets it's because their defense is many orders of magnitude worse then even the Jets pathetic defense. I mean, they lost a game where their QB threw for 400 yards and 6 TDs. But again, what does defense have to do with the QB position? Would you rather have a terrible defense and a terrible QB or a terrible defense and a good QB? It almost seems like you're saying that the QB position doesn't matter when you have a bad defense so why bother trying to improve it. That's a pretty strange attitude.
I agree with you completely. Although I have to say that the Oline still sucks monkey balls. They couldn't open a run gap with shotguns and riot gear. I am SO sick of seeking TJ running into the back of Clement, or Moore, or Clarke. How many times did we see him have to bounce to the outside, because there was nothing up the gut. I would give a body part for a good RT. I was a big Pennington supporter too, but I'm done. He has to go, he's had too many chances. I'm ready to see what Clemens has, even if he sucks at least we can find out sooner rather than later.
Alio, out of respect for you for some great threads and posts I'm going to give you a pass on this rather lame excuse for a rant. The time has come for a change and no doubts Chad is taking a bullet for this teams inadequacies but it annoy's me that some people cannot see that this coaching staff are regressing big time and it's time Mangini stopped with the "we have to execute better..." excuses already. Oh and also, how about someone calls out Ben Graham for his pathetic performances week in week out, this guy has to go back to Oz. This coaching staff malady is affecting the judgement of the one genuine coach with some class in this organisation, Mike Westcoff!
Sorry this is wrong. Chad has enough time to make plays. He had enough time in the Buffalo game, Giant game, Philly game and he damn well had enough time yesterday to make plays. In the first 3 games mentioned above the D, as bad as they are, made big stops to get the offense back on the field in position to either tie or win the game. In all 3 the offense failed miserably. Also who are top notch QB's dependent on? They dictate the game, they put the defense on their heels. When has Chad ever done that? KC may do that, I do not know, he at least put one of the better defense's on their heels for a quarter. How can anyone not say this team would be 2-3 games better with halfway decent QB play.
Again, the OLine is like the defense. No, they are not pro-bowl material, but they're adequate. They've been giving Chad time. Imagine Peyton Manning had this offense. The results are night and day to what we have now, even with this OLine. The one glaring problem no matter what your angle, is Chad. And he's the solitary one that can be immediately fixed. Everything else is a job for the offseason. I just want to see how much actual talent this team has, IF they have a capable QB throwing the ball. Maybe there is none. Fine. At least we'll know that next year is a wash too. But I want to know now, while we still have competitive games left, if our draft will be dedicated to filling a couple remaining holes, or picking up pieces for yet another foundation.
Our new Cheerleaders Need to shoulder their share of the blame for our performance on the field. And I, for one, volunteer to administer FIRM spankings to each and everyone of them.
What about those who blame all of our defense woes on the fact that DeWayne Robertson is playing OUT OF POSITION?!?!?!
