Here's a little tidbit: Cinci TOP: 33:54 Jets TOP: 26:06 By Quarter: 1) J: 7:07 / C: 7:53 2) J: 6:18 / C: 8:42 3) J: 5:20 / C: 9:40 4) J: 7:21 / C: 7:29 So, let's see. Under Herm, when the D spent all game on the field, that was why we were losing. Now, under a 3-4 system that people are strongly opposed to, with a QB that they can't help but man-love, the D just sucks? Could it be that by the 4Q they're F**KING TIRED!?!? And if it's all the D's fault, who on D is throwing 4Q picks every week? Oh wait, it must be Vilma, he's not doing anything on the field. This is absolutely ridiculous. It has to be the coaching staff, you know the one in their second year. It has to be the defense. They are the wrong personell to run the 3-4, nevermind that our D has kept us in every single game but the Pats this year. It has to be our OLine. No way this line is good enough without Pete Kendall. It has to be the playcalling. Too conservative. It has to be our TEs or WRs who don't hold onto or catch up to the ball when it's thrown to them. It's got to be the kick return game. We didn't score a SINGLE TD on special teams this week. Please. Enough is enough. Chad floated that early pass to Coles, and it was lucky, simply because the Cinci D had no clue it was coming. He spent the rest of the game shitting the bed. Yes, there is AMPLE blame to go around. Everyone on this team, from the front office to the players, to the damn ball boys, has a hand in our total failure on the field. But let's stop playing this game. Chad is a problem. Not a small one. He's a huge and significant problem. He's limited. He got by on his brains in the past, but he doesn't even have that going for him anymore. Continue to blame whomever you want to, but the fact is, as long as Chad is the starting QB, we will never make another playoff appearance. Yes, he's that limited, and yes, he does affect the rest of the team's ability to perform their duties.
kinda stepped on my thread there alio....but yes, you go it exactly right..Chad is the problem, and lately a very big problem
Honestly, after yesterday, I don't even have any of that Chad-love left. I admit to being a fanboy of his, but no more. It used to be the supposed "Chad gives us the best chance to win." Then it was "Well, Chad may not give us the best chance to win, but he is still smart." Then it was "Well, Chad's a really classy guy, and an all-time great Jet." Sorry, but now it's "Chad is the next coming of Vinny, not knowing when to finally call it a sub-par career." F Chad.
Agreed completely. The only reason why Curtis Martin was successful with Pennington at QB is because teams didn't know exactly what Pennington was capable of so the west coast offense worked beautifully. Now teams finally caught on to Chad's bullshit and he has nowhere to turn. It completely kills the runningback position because the entire defense is playing within 20 yards of the ball. Oppositely, with a team like the colts who stretch the field, anyone could play runningback and be successful. Then their offensive line gets some credit boosting their morale, and the recievers get open more because they can also run the ball. The entire offense is confident, noticed, and it shows on the field (colts). Pennington single handedly cripples this offensive playbook and the offensive players. I can't believe that some people still cant make that connection.
Yeah, I wasn't sure if I should respond in there or start a new one, so I went with a new one. A mod can feel free to merge, I'm not looking for glory or attention. I'm just fed up with this team being run by a gimp who isn't nearly as "football smart" as we were led to believe.
In the fourth quarter, the ball was slightly underfilled, resulting in Chad's floating interception. Didn't you know it's not Chad's fault he throws floaters?
People gotta understand this is Football doesent matter the memories a guy gave you or how smart or tough mentally someone is if you cant throw a football with good strength that then limits the Wide Recievers who instead of running 8-15 yard routes are cutting that off by about 8-10 yards and cant make any big plays it limits the running backs cause when the Defense knows your QB cant throw the ball "HARD" with any sort of zip they play in the box and the RB cant go anywhere and the defense gets tired from being thrown back onto the field and they get tired , now im not saying its all cause there tired i think there are big problems with that Defense but everything starts with the QB and with out a doubt despite what happens , Clemens with a strong arm will make the receivers alot better and the running game should pick up.
But seriously dude, the same reason we loved Chad...his fire...is the same reason that he doesn't know when to call it quits. It is not Chad's fault he has been starting for the last 3 weeks. That is the coach's fault, I mean as long as we're playing the blame game...might as well go all out. And yes, for the entire season, I have hated Chad more and more each time I see one of his ducks take a few more months off of Cotch and Coles' careers. But again, he can't name himself the starter. Now I don't know what Mangini has been playing at the last few weeks, but we can only speculate: 1. Giving the OL time to gel. 2. Letting KC get more clipboard time 3. Locker-room politics (doesn't want to lose the players) 4. Really thought Chad would take us to the playoffs this year (not completely insane) 5. Still thought that after the first 4 weeks (OK, time for the tinfoil hat) Either way, I stand behind him 100% and trust in "The Plan". He has four years to make this team a perennial contender in my way of figuring, so he's not even halfway there. Give the guy a break and let him do his job.
No question. Mangini is at fault for Pennington making us miserable. I don't dog Mangini though. He's a second year head coach. He gets a pass from me. Chad just sickens me though.
He should not have let Chad on the field for the Buffalo game. One, Chad was still sore, Secondarily, it would have been future prospect v. future prospect, and EM would have gotten a pass if we lose that game...
I know this is a stupid question but if we haven't got the players to play 3-4 why don't we play 4-3, or at least give it a chance now the season is over! Every team in the league can't play 3-4, there's not enough good players for that formation.
Fair enough, but there could be reasons Mangini has stayed with Chad. Maybe the OLine getting time to gel, maybe Chad convinced him in practice he should start, maybe Clemens is still too raw. Who knows? Regardless, I'm not about to bail on the coaching staff that I was giving 3 years in the first place. Last year was an accident. At the end of next year I'll make a determination whether I want to see Mangini coach into year 4. This year is lost. I just want Clemens at this point because I can't deal with watching Chad anymore.
So it is ok that the D gives up a 14 play 76 yard drive with 56 of it on the ground in 10 plays. Do you think this has an affect on TOP. Also, don't you think this has an affect on the offenses momentum? The Jets came out and drove down the field and got a field goal out of half time then sat on the sidelines for 7:34 of playing time. It works both ways. I could agree if our D gave up yards but not points, or points but not yards, but to give up 14 play TD drives is the #1 sign of a terrible D. If there is no running game and no run D, how can you win TOP?
Here's a question: Who says we don't have the personell for the 3-4? All the TGG experts? All the media windbags that are constantly creating stories for us to read, since our coach refuses to feed them new lines every week? Sorry, but I'm going to let Mangini, a guy who has been around the 3-4 his entire professional career, make the determination whether we have the personnel to run this scheme.
