He was absolutely horrid to start the season, but Chad has days to throw now, and alot of that credit has to go to Ferguson. Bust? No. Worth a #4 overall? Still no.
No he wasn't. He was playing beside a guy that had never played an NFL game, and that guy didn't even past through the week one match-up. He made some mental errors but he wasn't horrid... Ant to #1 Jets Fan, that's bullshit....back it up.
I think the only way Brick lives up to the #4 pick is if he ends up dominating at his position and making us forget he's there until he occasionally pancakes some elite DE on a whim. I think he could end up being very good, but to live up to a #4 pick you should never hear the word 'risk' when selecting an O-lineman. His weight was a risk and it hindered his progress in year 1 when he couldn't keep enough pounds on to compensate for the calories he was burning, so he was lighter and weaker than he should have been. I think we will know by the end of his third year if he can be a solid starter at LT, but you can usually tell by now if you have an elite player on your hands, and I don't see it.
I hold out some hope for him becoming elite because I know that he'll put on pounds and fairly quickly as his metabolism begins to slow down. He'd have to be a 1 in a million freak to just keep burning calories endlessly after 25 or so. Of course I have one of those rare birds in my family, a 64 year old uncle who stands 6"1' and never got over 160 pounds a day in his life, so I guess it's possible.
When I say I don't see him as elite, I'm talking about him displaying a level of physical dominance over your foes on the field. It's like when you see Kerry Rhodes wrestle a tight end to the ground, he is smaller and weaker but he has that instinct to dominate anyone with the ball. I remember last offseason reading an article where Brick got ticked off in 1-on-1s and mashed Bryan Thomas into the ground in anger. I'd really like to see that guy in between live whistles. Maybe the killer instinct will come with experience, but right now he plays like a lamb with an attitude.
W/ the Pass rushers he's facing week after week...nand the lack of talent surrounding him on the line..if the QB has all day to throw...he is worth MORE than a 4th overall pick.
At least he doesn't have to live up to being TWO 1st round draft picks plus. HUGE difference to me......... And while I didn't agree with the D'Brick pick... I could see how it was hard, especially if there were no trrade partners, not to pick the local good.... I SOOOOOOOO didn't want this pick and forever I'll think about what could have been in my trade down scenarios... BUT.... This is certainly not Bradway stepping up for a Combine stud with knee problems....
While I think he's been a fantastic pass blocker, I think he'll need to improve a bit in run blocking in order to real be worth the #4 pick... That being said, if we were to have a couple of good pulling Gs to help improve our outside running game, that wouldn't be an issue, and nobody would think of Brick as anything but fantastic
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Dbrick is improving in all aspects of the game. Sure he is not a very good run blocker right now. However looking at the run stats all the bigger runs originate from the left hand side. (I will try and find the stats for everyone). So anyone saying all the Jets do is run to the right is wrong. Brick has largely rendered all the best DE's in the league irrelevant. Does he dominate them physically? Not at this point. However if you watch him he is starting to drive block better and at the very least he is not getting bull rushed like last year. He still has a mis-step or 2 per game. Like Usi getting the sack at the end last week or Cole getting around him to harass Chad, again at the end of the game (there was no sack on the play). However, he has been a huge bright spot this year. The following is not my work, I "borrowed" it from another forum: It shows that Brick has at least not been as bad as everyone thinks in run blocking. Well at least it shows that when the Jets run Left they do better statistically in the last 2 games versus running up the middle or right. Is that because of Brick? Well I know he is not fucking up the runs and he is a better option to run behind than Clement or Moore. Courtesy of Yahoo Sports 1st-10, NYJ33 14:53 T. Jones rushed to the left for 36 yard gain 1st-10, PHI31 14:07 T. Jones rushed to the right for 11 yard gain 1st-10, NYJ26 10:05 T. Jones rushed up the middle for 12 yard gain 1st-10, NYJ38 9:31 T. Jones rushed to the right for 10 yard gain 1st-10, NYJ48 8:55 T. Jones rushed to the right for 4 yard gain 1st-10, PHI44 8:09 T. Jones rushed to the left for 4 yard gain 3rd-1, PHI35 6:48 T. Jones rushed to the left for 2 yard gain 1st-10, PHI33 6:23 T. Jones rushed to the right for 3 yard gain 1st-10, PHI10 14:05 T. Jones rushed to the left for no gain 1st-10, NYJ31 4:20 T. Jones rushed to the right for 7 yard gain 2nd-3, NYJ38 3:44 T. Jones rushed to the right for 2 yard gain 3rd-1, NYJ40 3:07 T. Jones rushed to the left for 4 yard gain 1st-10, PHI46 2:00 T. Jones rushed to the right for 1 yard gain 1st-10, NYJ19 13:27 T. Jones rushed up the middle for no gain 2nd-10, NYJ19 12:57 T. Jones rushed to the right for 3 yard gain 1st-10, NYJ43 7:52 T. Jones rushed to the left for 2 yard gain 1st-10, NYJ20 1:40 T. Jones rushed up the middle for 3 yard gain 2nd-7, NYJ23 0:59 T. Jones rushed to the left for 5 yard gain 1st-10, PHI38 14:24 T. Jones rushed to the right for 2 yard loss 2nd-12, PHI19 10:59 T. Jones rushed to the right for 5 yard gain 1st-10, NYJ46 8:05 T. Jones rushed to the left for 9 yard gain 1st-10, PHI32 6:24 T. Jones rushed to the right for no gain 1st-10, PHI13 4:52 T. Jones rushed to the left for 9 yard gain 2nd-1, PHI4 4:46 T. Jones rushed to the right for no gain 3 Middle for 15 total [5ypa] 12 Right for 43 total [3.6ypa] 9 Left for 71 total [7.9ypa] Anthony Clement is the worst player on this offense by a good deal Looking at the giants game NYJ26 13:16 T. Jones rushed to the right for 3 yard gain NYJ29 12:38 T. Jones rushed to the left for 3 yard gain 3rd-4, NYJ32 11:57 L. Washington rushed to the left for 10 yard gain 3rd-1, NYG49 10:40 B. Smith rushed up the middle for no gain 2nd-5, NYJ44 5:51 L. Washington rushed to the left for 1 yard gain 1st-10, NYG38 4:28 T. Jones rushed to the left for 3 yard gain 2nd-7, NYG35 3:46 T. Jones rushed to the left for 4 yard gain 1st-10, NYG27 2:26 T. Jones rushed to the left for 3 yard gain 1st-10, NYJ20 10:54 T. Jones rushed to the right for 4 yard gain 2nd-6, NYJ24 10:22 T. Jones rushed to the right for 2 yard loss 1st-15, NYJ26 9:02 T. Jones rushed to the left for 1 yard gain 2nd-14, NYJ27 8:31 T. Jones rushed up the middle for 2 yard gain 1st-10, NYG43 7:44 L. Washington rushed to the left for 2 yard gain 2nd-8, NYG41 7:07 T. Jones rushed to the left for 7 yard gain 1st-10, NYG32 5:56 L. Washington rushed to the right for 5 yard loss 1st-10, NYJ7 2:19 L. Washington rushed to the right for 6 yard gain. 1st-10, NYG45 1:38 L. Washington rushed to the right for 2 yard gain 1st-10, NYG27 0:23 L. Washington rushed to the right for 2 yard loss 1st-10, NYJ20 7:05 T. Jones rushed to the left for 2 yard loss 3rd-11, NYJ19 6:30 T. Jones rushed to the left for 6 yard gain 1st-10, NYJ44 15:00 T. Jones rushed to the left for 4 yard gain 1st-10, NYG35 14:02 L. Washington rushed to the left for 3 yard loss 1st-10, NYG44 7:22 L. Washington rushed to the right for 2 yard gain 2 Mid for 2 yards [1ypa] 13 Left for 38 yards [2.9ypa] 8 Right for 8 yards [1ypa]
Miamipuck, for the record, I don't blame the Osi sack at the end of the Giant game on D'Brick... It looked like a miscommunication, and, maybe it's unfair, but because Clarke is less experienced and more inconsistent, I lean towards blaming it on him.... Brick didn't whiff on the play, or get beat.... He took his inside hand, and gave Osi a hard shove to the inside, and then opened looking for the furthest outside rusher.... I'm assuming he thought Clarke was supposed to pick Osi up.... Just how I saw that play... Also, the better runs have been off of the left side, but that's largely due to how shitty Clement is....
Yeah that is plausible explanation. It was a garbage time sack anyhow. Osi was non existent for the first 58 minutes. Certainly it had no bearing on the game whatsoever. You can point to the first 2 games as Clarke being pretty bad as the reason for Bricks "poor" play the first two games (I quoted poor because it is relative). Mangold was even more horrid. I am positive it was because both had to compensate for Clarke. Anyway, my point with the stats is no matter how bad the run blocking has been it is still better for the Jets to run left. I also take to mean that Brick is improving in that area as well.
Miamipuck, if you saw the game you know those stats are totally meaningless and have nothing to do with blocking and everything to do with Jones getting outside on his own. Almost every run he had was suppose to go up the middle and he had no choice but to break to the outside when no hole existed. In the second half the Eagles closed down the outside too and he got almost nothing for the entire half.
I just wanted to quote that, giving you full credit of course. I mean, stats mean nothing. I guess the better YPC means nothing. Blocking means nothing, it was all T. Jones. Thanks great input there. Don if you had a negative stat to prove your point you use it. If a stat does not prove your point than it means nothing because "you did not watch the game" and I saw it thus I know the stats that make your point mean nothing. Don, Debating with you is pointless. There is no stat for that. However. I have seen your posts. Is that a good argument or what?
LOL yeah. :lol: Geez all I was trying to say is that is better for the Jets to run left. I was not saying Brick was a god among LT's. I was just showing how that he is improving all around. If the stats didn't at least show that somewhat, I would not say that. He definitely has to improve in that area and he is.
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