First, I know this will not happen. Let me speak out loud anyways..... The Tuna wants to coach again, woody give him a call.... since mangini loves quoting the Tuna, may as well get the real Tuna... ?It?s not like going to AAMCO,? Mangini quoted Bill Parcells about changing quarterbacks midseason. ?You can?t just take out the spark plug and replace it.? This team needs a veteran coach, that would command the respect from his players. I guess we are seeing, 1 year as a Defensive Coordinator does not make a genius head coach (as many of you anointed mangini). Apparently the only genius in NE was Bellicheck..... weiss, crennel, or 1 year DC Mangini, cant seem to get it together without each other and belly at the helm. At least Crennel is starting to figure it out. great tuna article... http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071014/SPORTS/710140400
Jeez, the man hasn't even been here 2 seasons and some are calling for him. Let the man build a foundation and identity, no matter how much we disagree with him. One good year, and one bad year...He's here until at least 2009.
I betcha we could find a comment like this on a Raiders board from October 2003. Don't kid yourself, if the Jets go 2-14 this year Mangini's job will be in jeopardy. Note: No sane person is calling for Mangini's job right now. We'll see where this team is at after 17 weeks.
One thing in that article is dead wrong. Parcells had no problem at all with bringing in people with shaded pasts. He brought in Bryan Cox who had more baggage then Moss and Owens combined. The difference being he was not a receiver but a linebacker.
I`m not calling for Mangini, but we can easily see where the Jets will be at week 17. Probably gonna have the second pick in the 08 draft, wether by design from Mangini or not. I knew this season would NOT be like last year. Trends have it that most bad teams who do well with a first year coach and an easy schedule usually do poorly the second season with a tougher schedule. Next year the Jets will have an easier schedule and it will look like progress is being made. It`s the year after(2009)where we will get a good notion as to what sort of genious Mangini really is.
Parcells is my favorite Coach of all time. I asbsolutely love the guy and everything he brings to the table. But he's probably not gonna coach ever again.
Exactly.... Everytime someone mentions Mangini's job, people jump on him by saying that it's irrational to want to fire Mangini right now.... That's not what we're saying... We're saying, that, if things continue the way they're going, and we win 3 games or fewer... Mangini should be gone... Now, not everyone shares this opinion, but, without cleaning house entirely, I find it hard to believe that the same core group of players could return to playoff form under the guidance of a Head Coach whose conservative in-game coaching led them to a 3-13 record or worse.... That's why, if things don't pick up a little bit at some point, I believe he should, and will, be gone
That is just as ridiculous, Woody didn't hire the youngest HC & GM tandem to fire him after 2 years. When Mangini was hired, everyone was willing to give him some time to fix the mess he was left. Now after one bad year in the middle of rebuilding that changes? Don't think so..
ya gotta give Mangini at leat 5 years, unless this losing continues for the next 2 seasons. This season was over in week 2. Sad to say it, but I knew by week 3 we weren`t going to be any good. Actually just watching the pre-season games I knew we still had no pass rush, no run stoppers and still couldn`t tackle anyone. Defenses win games. We don`t have a defense.
I think Parcells was a great coach. WAS a great coach. How many coaches have succeeded at his age? See Gibbs, Joe.
I don't have to give Mangini three bad losing seasons before I know he's cooked. You may have to do that but I sure as hell won't. If the Jets have a terrible season this year the man should be fired. Period. There was no reason going into this season that the Jets should experience a terrible season. Let-down? Sure. Terrible? No way. It's on Mangini's head right now and if they keep sucking I want him out of town because he'll never amount to anything if that happens.
So you're going to tell me that the team is going to be able to turn it around under the same HC after a 2-14 or 3-13 season? I forget who the posters were, but there were some very convincing stats about how rarely, if ever, does a team have such a terrible winning percentage, under a non-1st year head coach, followed by a winning season under the same leadership... No, Woody didn't intend to hire Mangini for a 2-year tenure.... He also didn't intend to have a 3-13 team Additionally, yes, he was supposed to be re-building a team that had been in disarray after a rash of injuries forced them into a 4 win season... 2 years after the fact, if the team finishes, healthy, and with a worse record than before, Mangini doesn't deserve to stick around...
Yes, he is still bringing in his players. It is going to take more than two drafts to bring in the players that will make his system work. We all knew that going into this season but now that it is upon us, it is some great shock and disappointment. Unbelievable, so what do you suggest? we just keep hiring HCs every two years if they don't get it done by then? It is going to be the players that take the fall, if they don't buy into the system they are going to be finding a new place to play football. Let's let him build this team his way before we run him out of town and he becomes a hall of fame HC somewhere else.
I'll give him 1 bad season. If we're 4-12 this year, I'll give him another chance next season, but if it's anything like this season, I want him out.
So, a coach bring back the majority of a 10 - 6 team and adds some new key pieces, add a very good hb, and a good young cb... what mess does he has? and could he have addressed it if he was not going to budge on his system? The players will take the fall, however this season falls on the head coach mostly. Just my opinion.
No, you don;t keep hiring new HCs every two years... If they can keep us contending consistently, they can stick around... Even allow for a lousy (5-11, 6-10) year here and there.... But if they turn the team into garbage, their tenure should end.... If we take a step back, in 2007, from what we were when we were detrimentally injured in 2005, Mangini deserves to be fired... That's not building, that's regressing....
RE: what I bolded In short, it was me and Br4dw4y5ux. A couple weeks ago, Br4dw4y5ux made a comment about how coaches who have 3-13 or worse seasons never seem to survive. I read his comment and thought to myself that he's probably right. I couldn't think of any coaches who survived those types of terrible seasons. I then looked at the year-by-year records of every head coach in league history. I couldn't find one head coach who had a 3-13, 2-14, 2-12, 1-13 type of garbage performance in a non-debut season who was then able to turn the team into a success in subsequent years. Coaches who presided over terrible below .200 winning percentage type of teams were fired, resigned, or kept their job and continued to suck. Maybe you could sneak Norm Van Brocklin through. He was the first Vikings head coach. They went 3-11 and 2-11-1 their first two seasons. He coached them for four more seasons and did get them over .500 in 1964, but never made the playoffs. There are plenty of examples of coaches who had awful debut seasons, but it was to be expected. Bill Walsh was 2-14 his first year, Chuck Noll went 1-13, Bill Parcells was 3-12-1, etc. But having that type of brutal, laughingstock-of-the-league-sort-of-record in a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc. season with a team is historically a major problem. We can see it now. If the Jets are 2-12 after 14 games, we know there are going to be players bitching. It will be very hard for Mangini within his own locker room. The media will be another matter. Look at what happened to Bill Callahan only a couple years ago. He went to the Super Bowl his first year! Mangini only made it to Wild Card weekend. Now I understand Callahan made the comment about the team being stupid and maybe they stopped playing for him after that. There's also Mike Mularkey. He had a solid Mangini '06 type of rookie season. He coached the Bills to a 9-7 mark in 2004. He was gone after a 5-11 record in 2005. 5-11! Not 2-14 or 3-13. 5-11 was no good after he had shown promise in his debut season as a head coach. Prior to the salary cap era, teams were more patient with coaches. There are no 5-year plans anymore. Mangini has to get his act together and this team has to start winning some games right here in 2007.
Thank you for posting this here... My bad for not giving you credit... I saw it before, I knew it was Br4dw4y5ux, but for some reason I couldn't remember it was you... Excellent post and evidence,and there's very little I can add to that... As far as Van Brocklin goes, I don't think he counts, because he was the first coach of a team... The organization was trying to get on its feet and needed stability.... We have been an on-and-off playoff team for the last 10 years now.... 3-13 is not acceptable in a sophomore season for a HC in this situation. As I've stated before, I truly believe that if we go 3-13 or 2-14, and MAYBE even 4-12, Mangini will not coach the Jets in 2008
Oh, I had no problem with that whatsoever. Somebody would have mentioned me and Br4dw4y5ux, if I hadn't been here.
