PFW makes a good point, and it makes sense if you think about it: http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL/AFC/AFC+East/NY+Jets/WWHI/2007/wwhi101207.htm Perhaps this is true. The players are sick of busting their tails, and showing no gains. Mangini basically saying that a vet who has done his work will continue to get chances may just be his saving grace in the locker room. This could also explain why JMac continues to show his face in games. Regardless, it's stupid, IMO. Losing like this week after week is enough to lose the respect of the players. Sometimes you need to scrap loyalty, and show a team that you are willing to do what it takes to win. If it's going to take Schotty to make the change, I'd really like him to take care of it soon.
I was hoping they were still playing him to showcase him so they could trade him. I appreciate Chad for his efforts over the years but this team needs a spark. We don't know if Clemens is going to provide that but we don't know unless we try. We need drastic change and firing the coordinators probably isn't an option, it's too hard to bring in a new playbook at this time. So the QB switch to me seems to be our only option for bringing some excitement back to this boring team.
No. Probably not going to happen. The Jets are at a good point in time, to let Pennington play. If he continues to lose, you are playing for Draft position (New England, barring an injury to Brady, will challenge the 16-0 mark, and could be looking at another Championship.), but also, he is slowly proving to himself, that through injury, and no consequence of situation etc...that he is not a Number 1 Qb in the league. They would probably like to keep CP as a backup to Clemens, the way Vinny stayed on after Chad ascended. Letting CP lose 3 or 4 more serves you far better than putting inClemens and hoping to go 8-8
That's actually a very good point. I hadn't thought of that angle. The thing is, I can't stomach watching this. As I've said repeatedly, I can deal with losing, as long as we look like we're improving. Well, the lines are looking better, but we're also playing lower-tier teams, so are we actually improving there? Our WRs are getting banged up. Jones is running his ass off for nothing. Our defense is holding the opposition to field goal attempts, just to be back on the field in 4-6 plays. I'd love a high draft pick, but I'd much rather be interested in watching my team play right now. At this point, if something else comes up on a Sunday, I might settle for listening to the game on the radio while I do something else. That's unheard of for me. I got married in January, when the Jets had a shot to be in the playoffs. I told my then-to-be wife that if the Jets were in the playoffs, I wouldn't be there for the wedding. I've never been so apathetic towards this team. Not even in the Kotite days.
I agree. However, the other thing is, do you put Clemens in, if you know the line isnt there yet? Or do you let Chad, who does not like to get hit, or hold on to the ball play ?
No way. Losing 3 or 4 more in a row would absolutely kill any chance that Mangini has to regain his stature with the team. There has never been and never will be a team that can go out to 1-8 or 1-9 and keep its dignity and competitive fires going. This Jets team would roll over and die if it ever got that far. Going with Clemens and getting to 6-10 or 7-9 or even possibly 8-8 is about the only way that Mangini can salvage the disaster that his bad decision on the QB's after game 2 has caused. There is no way in hell this team is 1-5 right now without Chad gumming up the works the last few weeks. We wouldn't be 4-2 or 5-1 either, as some posters have suggested, because the fundamentals on the team do not support that but we'd have a real good shot at being 3-3. If Mangini sticks with Chad until the bye I'm guessing that he's fired at the end of the year.
Larry Hardesty on ESPN Radio before the game said that the Kendall situation has a lot to do with it as well. The players feel Mangini wronged Kendall and he can't risk them feeling that he wronged Pennington. That would cause him to completely lose the team. That pisses me off! just because he screwed up with Kendall (BTW, that was a definite screw up) he now can't make the right decision with Chad and Clemens. Same old Jets!! I only regret that my kid has become a Jet fan and will have to endure the same pain and suffering that I do. I feel a little guilty about that.
That's what bothers me from the first game, A SPARK, they just should have thrown Clemmins in at that point, maybe it would of put a spark up CP's ass to do better. Just don't get it.
The players that don't buy in are going to be shown the door before Mangini is. Woody didn't hire a first year HC to fire him after 2 years. It is either you buy in or bye bye..
Mangini does not need stature with the team, as you put it, as long as he can go in every tuesday, with half a reel of bloopers, and say, The coaches put you here, and you F*d it up. As I pointed out, everyone here knows the line is not right yet, BUT you continue to insist that playing the QB of the Future is a prudent move????? we would be 4-1, if Pennington ws playing like Pennington of old, week in week out. But that brings us to another problem. His once fabulous QB skills, are in the toilet with his armstregnth. When was the last time you saw him tuck the ball behind his ass, and wait 2 seconds to pull it out and hit a good gainer???? When was the last time he actually Looked off a safety When was the last time he pump faked????
When you have a coach vs lockerroom problem it's almost always the coach who gets it in the neck. Coaches are a lot cheaper and easier to replace than 53 guys. You also have the judgement factor in play: how did the situation get so messed up between the coach and his team? Leaders don't have everybody sniping at them until the accumulation becomes a public barrage. That's just the way it is.
You cant. Because if Clemens comes in and Plays well, you will never get Chad back on the field, and you dont want to risk the QB of the future, with this suspect line...
Well I would hope he's doing that with Chad on a regular basis, because right now Chad looks like total shit. You have to go with what you've got and right now all the Jets have is Clemens. Chad is just not getting the job done at all. Prudence, in this case, is not destroying the team by going with a washed up QB whom everybody in the lockerroom knows is washed up at this point, even if they won't say so for public consumption. We'd be 4-2 at best because Chad wasn't going to beat the Ravens in Baltimore week 2. They are exactly the kind of team he has folded against with the deer in the headlights look his entire career. I also think there's a good chance he'd have lost the Giants game. Why isn't he holding a clipboard? That's the relevant question from Mangini's standpoint. There is no good reason for running him out there every week and that is not only obvious to the fans, it's obvious to the players, media and other coaches on the Jets as well. Mangini is about to find out how lonely it gets when you are being a pinhead in the public eye.
Lets go two years in the future and say Clemens is the real deal and our defense is fixed and we have a chance at a Sb. Do you really want a 33-34 year old Chad as your backup Qb after what you have seen this year. It is time for the Pennington era in Ny to end.
Yes, you do. You want Pennington on the team (Ideally) until you draft Clemens' heir. Pennington, with a good d and a running game, will win more thn he loses, and ideally you want a backup to hold the fort and not kill you while the starter is out....
we should not underestimate what a strong finish to a season can do for a team, look at the packers, they carried last years momentum to this yr and now they are a nfc super bowl contender, this team knows it is better then the record, winning is important and i hate people that want to lose for a higher draft pick, i cannot ever root for us to lose
yes i really do want him to be on this team, he would be a very serviceable backup and u know he would be prepared week in week out
No one is condoning tanking for a draft pick. The point was, we stick with what we've been doing, and if it continues to go down the same road, then the benefit would be a better draft selection. Everyone here wants to win games. That's not an issue. The issue is that right now, with the personnel we're fielding, this is all we're getting. Putting Clemens in harm's way to buy another win or two now is probably not worth it.
Although I disagree with you on letting the season go down the tubes instead of trying to let the backu give us a respectable record, I do agree that keeping Pennington as a backup would be smart. However, to could lead to another sticky situation if Kellen struggled and Chad went in one game and did well.... There are otehr teams Chad can help, I bet the Vikes would ratehr have him than tarvaris jackson, Bollinger, and Holcomb...
