Scouts Take: Pennington has a fairly unique skills set for an NFL quarterback, and the Jets haven't been able to surround him with the personnel and scheme to cater to his strengths and weaknesses. Those factors won't change much this season, so don't be surprised to see Clemens soon. this is from espn, written on oct 10th, the paragraph previous to this states how he is skating on thin ice, i found it interesting to see this point of view in which the blame is based on his surroundings instead of his mistakes, for example-his lack of running game, which negates his outstanding ability to play action...i have no biased either way i think we should start kellen to see if he is good, but i like chad and i think he is solid qb in this league, do u thinks this is a fair "scouting"?
It's true, but the simple fact of the matter is that we're not building this team around Chad... If he can't win with what the CS puts together, we're gonna have to find someone who can.. Simple as that
well part of that is true. While he has a good mind for the game, his lack of arm requires strong protection to give him time for a play to develop, also the same o-line is required for a strong running game so his strength (play action) can flourish. That being said, lots of QBs would perform well in that situation, yet only a few have the luxury of both (look what happenned to Bulger this year) he did well when they had both (look to 2004) but it'll be awhile before the o-line becomes a strength again. Sometimes you just have to "make plays" :shit:
Let's just call it like it is. You need a qb that can make all the throws to have a shot to win. Pennington cannot.
rex grossman can make all the throws, so could ryan leaf, fact of the matter is that u dont need to be able to make all the throws to win, chad has won before, he isnt an unknown commodity
Using two terrible QB's like Rex and Leaf is just not applicable here. I never said Chad was a terrible QB like they are. He is a qb who is simply limited. He cannot make the throws of a Favre, Brady, Manning or a Romo. He is a great game manager who can win with a strong supporting cast, but don't expect him to be the one to carry a team.
Yea this is true, but I'm not sure the FO and CS even knows what there building right now, or how to build in general. The O-line was a nice start, and Revis and Harris seem like good picks, but it appears that the biggest need was on the D-line. 20/20 etc..
Definitely 20/20 considering the only "surefire" 3/4 dline player is struggling, not too mention he was taken before Revis. It takes years to build a stout 3-4 line. To build a team around Chad the staff would have to draft 10 300 pound players that have pillows for hands and run a 4.30 40. That is the only way to combat 10 guys in the box and no long passes.
Chad is to blame for our losses period! Yes Clemens won't do much better this year, but he'll get better. Its called upside. Chad has no upside and can't even make the right decisions anymore. The offensive line has gotten better with each week and the Mangold/Ferguson combo is starting to gel. Don't blame them or Thomas Jones either. Obviously, it is part of the the oppositing defenses' job to stop the run. Since Chad can't throw long, defenses dont feel that they will lose much if they were to leave someone open for a short pass. The benefits of putting 8 in the box, outweigh the costs of leaving someone open. Therefore, Chad is the reason why the running game sucks and the rest of the offense in general.
The debate can be put to rest. All you have to do is watch "Put up your dukes " on NFL Network. Tonight there's a segment where they show Chad Throwing and Clemens Throwing. Just compare the passes you see (You might even forgive J-Mac for one of those dropped passes) can you say laser ball!
Never, he f-ing sucks. He singlehandly destroyed that game. This team has no room for chokers with alligator arms.
I think we've put a pretty solid team around Chad. He has two of the toughest, most surest handed receivers in the league, which is a necessity since he continually throws above, below, and behind them constantly. He has backs that can catch and block, which knowing his limited arm strength and mobility are also a necessity. Granted he doesn't have the best line, he still gets enough time to throw to his maximum range of about 12 yards.
Wow, his first start and you say he sucks. Even so, would you rather have a choker with a noodle arm? Also he didn't choke, McCareins dropped a ball thrown right to him. Inexcuseable.
Why is it that whenever someone mentions Chad’s pathetic, girlie girl arm the people who get moist in the ann-noose for him have to bring up Rex Grossman and Ryan Leaf as their strong arm counter argument. It’s just stupid – the insinuation is almost that a strong arm is worthless in the NFL thanks to Ryan Leaf. There are rocket arms (nice - get it done if the worthless ass jacks don’t throw 19 picks) Average or weaker arms (can still get it done if the worthless ass jacks don’t throw 19 picks) Adult Flag football high school hero arm (there’s a reason they are in flag football) High school arm (who knows what can happen) Pop warner arm (what?) And the weakest of all arms – the Chad Pennington arm (are you fkn kidding me?) Manmoron and Chad are making complete buffoons out of us…wake up.
Seems like the team has as full blown QB controversy at this point. 2 weeks in a row the pre-game guys and ESPN were questioning who should be under center for the Jets. Espn will have another feature coming up on sports center and the papers are already talking about the implications of Penningtons cap hit. Hopefully the media keeps it in the spotlight to force the issue. Better yet, hopefully Mangini makes the right move before the media goes sour on him.
