http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraft.html He obviously doesn't care enough to visit TGG.com to get the right draft order. :up:
Yeah.. Dallas will not be picking 3rd. Cleveland smoked two playoff-calibre teams(Cinci and Balt). No McFadden for Dallas! Dolphins, Bills, Jets, Rams, Falcons will be top 5 but the order is still to be determined
Cincy is not a playoff caliber team. They might have a playoff caliber offense, but their defense is probably the worst in the league. I could see San Fran taking a step back and falling back into the top 10. They are so dissapointing. I think it will end up something like this - maybe not in this order, but these look to be the 10 worst teams. 1. Miami - Brian Brohm or Andre Woodson 2. Atlanta - I could see Petrino trading up to get Brohm if he doesn't fall to them 3. New York Jets - Darren McFadden, DeSean Jackson, or Jake Long 4. Buffalo Bills - Glenn Dorsey 5. Minnesota - Chris Long or best available QB 6. St. Louis - Sam Baker (aging offensive line) 7. Oakland - Offensive Line or Defensive Line 8. Washington - Dan Connor 9. San Fran - Kenny Phillips 10. Philadelphia - Calais Campbell or Malcolm Jenkins
Top 5 right now is NO, MIA, STL, ATL, NYJ. Buffalo is 6 meaning the AFCE has half of the worst 6 teams in the NFL!:sad:
If we get a top 8 pick I would love to trade down to get 2 firsts (a team like Dallas) or even a mid first and early-mid second. We really need a lot this draft, after only getting two real impact players in this last draft, and I want to stack up on picks. There are a lot of good DE/OLB tweeners who will be available in the middle of the first round, so I would be very content with trading down there.
Quentin Moses, Derrick Harvery, Tommy Blake, Vernon Gholston should all go in the mid-late picks in the first. A guy like Titus Brown from Miss. State, or Chris Ellis from Virginia Teach, may move up to the late 1st. Maybe all of those guys wont declare, but even 4 of them, gives us a pretty good chance of getting one of them if we can get a pick between 12-25.
Quentin Groves and Tommy Blake may be injured (redshirt?) and the other two are Juniors. Chris Ellis is garbage until he proves otherwise.
Ok, but they may not be injured. So that point is bad. And even if they are juniors, they still may declare. Just because they are juniors, doesn't mean you can count them out. Once again, bad point. I wouldn't call him garbage, he is projected to be a mid-late 2nd round pick as of right now. As low as high 3rd. You never know, a big year from him and he could really shoot up. He has the size and speed for a 3-4 OLB. The college season has barely begun, and we have a long time to go until the draft, so I don't understand why you are already ruling out players months before the draft. These guys could come out, or they might not. They could suck, or they might not. I don't know, and you don't know, so don't rule anybody out just yet.
Projections mean nothing at this point. Quentin Moses was a projected Top 15 pick last year and he slid all the way into Round 3.
Yes but the same goes the opposite way. Many players slide up the draft boards. So there is no reasoing for either argument. All I can use at this point is the projections for right now, whether they are right or wrong by the end of the season.
I don't mean to count them out, I'm just implying that they aren't reliable options. It is not like they are going to be forced into the draft. You are right, there may be a bunch of options available but there may be no options available. As far as Chris Ellis goes, I have been watching him since he came to Tech. He looked amazing when he was the 3rd DE behind Darryl Tapp. He has the size, speed and ability to put his hand down or stand up and rush or even drop into coverage. However, he seems to disappear a lot in big games and is good for a boneheaded play on the field each game as well as off the field each season. Until he consistently puts his considerable talent to use and gets his act together, he is not worth a first day pick. That much I am sure about.
Ok, Steve Slaton will be a top 15 pick at worst... there are a lot of things wrong with that draft to say nothing of positional needs in the first round (ie, giants going running back after derrick ward has been tearing it up). I dont have the time to rip it apart now and honestly, we're going into week 5... they really shouldve held their breath till week 10 on this draft.
One pick that will probably not happen is Miami taking Brohm. There's just no way. We used our 2nd on John Beck this year. Taking Brohm in 2008 is like admitting that John Beck is not who we thought he was, and even worse, that taking Ginn instead of Quinn was also a mistake. In fact, I can't really see any of the AFC East dingle berries(Dolphins, Jets, Bills) taking Brohm. Jets invested a 2nd in 06 on Clemens, who looked promising against Baltimore. Bills used a 3rd on Trent Edwards and he looked good as well. Not only that, but if there is ever a best draft to trade down-- it's this one. With talent like McFadden and Brohm on the board you have to trade the Brohm pick if he's there when you're on the board. I also think you guys snag McFadden and don't look back if he's available. Just really hard to make a case of passing on a playmaker like him unless of course, you get a trade offer you can't refuse. Jerry Jones could offer the farm.
I agree completely. If McFadden is there, we have to take him and run. He's the best RB prospect come out in a LONG time (I know that seams to be said every year, but he really is). The only reason to not take McFadden would be as you suggested, a "sell the farm" type trade from another team.
Rambo, as I've stated in other posts, my first mock will come no earlier than week 10 once the order is starting to shape up. as my id tag would lead you to believe, i love mock drafts and particiapted in several in the off season and watched the entire draft and toiled over it for weeks prior. I look forward to it this off season with you... But first, the regular season.
I concur that you don't pass on McFadden and I sincerely hope that we're not that high in the draft but instead say #32... but i'm realistic. We don't need McFadden like the Vikes didn't need AP and like Miami didn't need Ginn. So, we need to take him. When you're that high up, you don't pull an Arizona and reach, you take the honest to god, BPA. Though, I wish we could get a solid LG/RG and a monster DT in the first two rounds though... As for the Brohm thing... he won't fall far, although right now I think he's highly over rated from his performance thus far this year. You're right, none of the AFC East kids will take him, but he'll certainly go early. With or without Petrino, I think the Falcons move quick to get him, even if they have to trade up for it, though not many people have a need for a QB in the next draft (Vikes maybe, Falcons yes)
