Not drafting Cutler will haunt this franchise unless Clemens is the real deal. Looking back, you have to wonder if Mangenius was ducking a potential Qb controversy by not drafting a NFL-ready Cutler thereby putting off the Qb decision another 2 years. He handed the team over to Chad with some trumped up Qb "competition". Everybody knew that if Chad could throw a ball 15 yds, he would beat out Ramsey. Clemens was never even in the mix for the starting Qb job last year. Or evidently THIS year as well. Now the shit is hitting the fan. Chad is putting up great numbers, but not alot of points. Cutler in the meantime is giving Indy fits and matching the best Qb of this era in Manning. Our guy? We know he has a arm which disqualifies him as a Qb candidate in most Pennington fan's opinions. He also has intangibles. He played with poise and moxie against arguably one of the best defenses in the league. His reward?: "back in the trunk" ala: trunk monkey. Is Mangini so afraid of controversy that he'll ride Pennington into the ground this year and take the Jets' season with it? I think the answer is yes unless Chad suffers a "Bledsoe" and gets carted off the field. So far, I think Mangenius is "risk adverse" in that he won't take chances or any leap of faith. Sutton's version of the 3/4 might be the worst rendition of that system ever but Mangenius stubbornly sticks to just as Edwards stuck with his vaunted "Cover-Who". Anyone notice the vanilla game plans lately? I call it the DDP. Dink, Dunk and Punt. Teams stack the line against Chad because they have no fear of getting beat deep. That pretty much kills our running game but as well. Cutler? He'll kill you midrange and further out. Manning will as well. Clemens? Probably but we'll only find out IF Mangenius takes the bra off his manboobs, grow a pair, and starts Clemens sometime real soon. We really do need to know what we have before going into draft day '08. We know what we don't have. That's plain enough. If Clemens isn't the answer, fine. Let the kid play his way off the team instead of wasting away on the bench. I really think Mangenius would have kept Cutler on the bench as well. The more of this FO/CS I'm seeing, the less I'm liking them. Waaay too conservative. Too obsessed with NE as well. We're not the Patriots. We weren't the Bucs either. Its time we become the Jets. Remember that team? Downfield threats in the form of Wes Walker? Viable TE options like Shuler and Toon? Qb's capable of ringing up scores ala Ken O'brien and VinnyT? Remember those Jet teams????? We were dangerous back then. No one fears the Jets today and why should they......
Clemens was not ready to start last year. He is ready to start now. Pennington should never have gotten his job back after the Baltimore game. It was clear to me after Week 1 that the Jets will not seriously compete for a playoff spot this year. Therefore, make the damn QB transition ASAP. Noooooooooo, they couldn't do that. The Jets are the Jets. What else can we say? If Mangini is that very wussified, he will never win a Super Bowl title as a head coach. We'll see how much of a wussy he is in October. I believe he is going to have to make a decision pronto.
Thank you CMan! I've been saying this ever since Mangini announced Penny as the starter in the early offseason.... Mangini is not a dumb guy; he knows all about the NY media... I really think that Mangini's fear of a QB controversy, and negative media attention has gotten the best of his decision making ability..... He seems so petrified by the idea of a controversy, that he totally threw aside his own mantra of 'letting the best player play'... It's really quite embarrassing, and has cast serious doubts about Mangini in myself and many other Jets fans
im watching the chiefs-chargers game right now, and i see huard throwing passes noodle can only dream about..... belli was smart enough to cut kosar and bledsoe. shanny cut griese and ate the contract. these guys won't do either one. even if kc or the bears wanted to trade for him before the deadline.....
Cutler was no more NFL ready last year than Kellen Clemens is this year. If not for the broken leg they'd be on the exact same page, with Clemens being a proven leader at the college level and Cutler being a great arm. I'm so glad the Jets did not take Cutler or Leinart on the 4. The open question is whether they should not have tried very hard to move down to the 9-12 range and get one of them plus some extra picks. I think they had to take D'Brick unless somebody gave them a very strong offer so I'm guessing this just was not in the cards.
I can't dump on Mangini yet for 1 reason. Clemens looks like he has real NFL skills, dynamic NFL skills and if we passed on Cutler and Clemens can be the guy than there is no reason to look back. I give Mangini a bit of a pass this year because I felt this team is still in full blown rebuild. I wasn't surprised at all we won 10 games last year and before this season started I wouldn't have been surprised by a 5 to 9 game winning season this year. The Jets were a mess after the 05 season and needed several years to rebuild. The key this year is seeing which young talent on this team is going to be here in 2 or 3 years. Which veterans aren't and maximizing what we can get for them. Mangini will ultimately by judged on what this team does in year 4 and 5. Clemens needs to have 2 years under his belt by than or we have to draft a QB next year with our first pick. I don't know what Mangini will do next week, but I fully expect Clemens to get the majority of snaps this year.
4 and 5 year rebuilding schemes don't work now. I know I don't have the patients for it. This team has been rebuilding since '69.
That would have required a trade-up and teams that trade up for a first round QB generally regret the hell out of it before things are done. Ryan Leaf, Michael Vick, Eli Manning, etc. It gets really ugly when you put all your eggs in one basket and it generally costs the coach and GM their jobs within a few years.
Yea... i think it's about that time to have chad wave the towel again... he puts no zip whaaaaaaaaat so ever on the ball...
You might want to turn that Indy-Denver game back on, then tell me how Cutler is giving Indy fits and matching the best Qb of our era.
I agree, and besides... When it's all said and done, I think we may have gotten the 2nd best QB out of that draft, and the best pure passer.... I think Clemens is more heady than Cutler, while not sacrificing arm-strength..... I think Young and Clemens could possibly be 1-2 in one of the best drafts for QBs in recent memory...
Watching it now. Looks like the Denver D let them down. Cutler still looks good for a kid QB up against Manning. For a good part of the game, Denver was in it. There's no question that Indy is the better team or that Manning is the best Qb in the game today. I like Cutler. I like his moxie and his upside. If and when Clemens starts, I'd like to see him continue what he started in Baltimore. Its gotta be a quantum leap over the Dink, Dunk and Punt offense mastered by our HOF Qb Chadwick Pennington.
He is 12-20 123 YDs 1 TD 1 INT, not exactly lighting it up. I was begging for Leinart or Cutler before the draft but we ended up getting a QB that the CS likes, now it's time to see if the FO was right. I don't know if Clemens will be better than Cutler but to say it was a mistake before we know what we have in Clemens is a bit shortsighted IMO, especially since Cutler hasn't done anything yet to prove he was deserving of a high first round pick. Gotta remember if we drafted Cutler, we definetly wouldn't have DBrick and possibly would have T Jones either. It is time to see what we have in Clemens.
Well I definitely like Young as the superstar QB out of that draft. His numbers will be a bit funny, like Bradshaw and Elway early on, but he is a huge winner.
Agreed. One thing I'd like to point out is this: Cutler already has over 1 season now behind center whereas Clemens has one game. My point is that IF Clemens isn't the real deal, and I think he will be, we may have made a mistake in passing on Cutler. We really need to find out exactly what we have in Clemens and his time is NOW.
Yeah he has to play even if he stumbles. Chad is toast as far as I am concerned. I used to be a big supporter of his, but he can't get the job done for many reasons. If we had an O ine that could run block and pass protect better, then his lack of mobility, poor down field vision and arm strength wouldn't be overriding factors. Man hes all of that and we still play him?
Now this I agree with, I just think you are maybe two years early with this thread. Hopefully in two years this thread will be meaningless & Clemens is the real deal. From a Chad supporter though I definetly agree that the time is now for Clemens..
