This quote should be enough to punch Randolph's ticket out of town “If we smell the roses and sip some Champagne, so be it; if not, that’s life,”
I'm far from a Phillies fan. I am just a passionate Mets fan who would rather not be the second best team in New York year after year. Omar/Willie are obviously not doing the job, I've been calling for their heads for awhile now. If it means I need to root against the team to get their useless asses out of here, then so be it. The team is obviously not heading in the right direction. A collapse of missing the playoffs will cause repercussions and hopefully I'll at least get half of my wish.
Bobby V managed 15 years and made the playoffs just 2 times- BOTH as WC teams. You don't change the manager b/c a team slumps esdpecially when tha Manager has had nothing but success in the 2 1/2 years he was w/ the mets prior to the slump. Obviously the Mgr takes some of the balme but it's nonsense to lay 100% of the blame on Willie. So you would have handled things the way george did pre-Torre? Who would you have hired to take over for willie? it's very rare a change makes much of a difference midseason. remember a few months ago when the yanks were awful and all the Yankee fans were calling for Joe to be fired? That's the perfect example of why you don't change. If anyone is to blame fo this season it's the guy who has been taking bows the last 2 years- Omar. He put together an older team of position players, didn't fo anything for the rotation and put together an embarrassment of a bullpen. and who has proven to be correct?
I'll go to my grave saying Torre should have been fired last year for Lou... there's no way Lou would have sat on his hands the way Torre did this year... that is until that Boston game where he actually yelled at the 3rd base ump and got thrown out of the game... THAT is where this team starting showing some life again... along with there injection of youth and the lefties starting to hit... and lets face it... when you're bullpen actually gets people out decisions are alot easier to make... so before you get hurt trying to blow yourself over your Torre analysis take a look at what's what...
I have been PROVEN correct. We came back from a terrible stat and are in the postseason again. If we fired Joe who knows what would have happened. So let me get this straight- when the players perform well it makes it easier to manage? Who knew? Isn't it amazing how much beter a manager can look when his players play well?:rofl2: Are you saying the Yanks took off after Joe yelled at an umpire? THAT's the reason? Man you guys crack me up.
Maybe Torre should have been fired after last year but I'm not sure we ever needed Pinella back. If he goes after this year it will probably be Girardi and that may be the better decision anyway. I think he can relate pretty well with the players since he played with a lot of them. You would think if everybody thought he did such a great job this year he would be a runaway favorite for manager of the year. In all the lists I've seen they show him somewhere between 3rd and 5th which even I find surprising.
Piniella is not the answer for either team. He was never a success running the Yankees and he is possibly worse managing a pitching staff than Torre, which is saying something.
absoultly right, this isnt all willies fault, but if this was Bobby V's team he would have never let this go on.
no... I'm saying they started winning when Torre finally got off his fat ass, came out of the dugout and started to do his job instead of just "being Joe Torre"
How quickly the tables have turned on Randolph, one of the most respected managers in baseball. If anyone should be fired, it's the whole team.
When you combine that quote with the one about how "the champagne will taste better" once we do win, well, that's pretty damning. Willie apologists have to admit that Willie has made numerous mistakes, and he has always said the wrong thing. Last night, David Wright was "embarresed" and thought the performence was "pathetic", while Willie was surprised and shocked. That says all you need to know.
This is an absurd statement - Randolph has NEVER been one of the most respected managers in baseball. Respected as a gentleman, yes; respected as a baseball lifer, yes; respected as a manager, laughably no. If anything, his defenders have repeatedly said that he gets criticized too much. This is also someone who was turned down the first 10 times he interviewed for a managing job. None of this is the mark of respect for managing ability. His three years at the helm of the Mets have been marked by constant criticism of his horrible in-game management, total misuse of the pitching staff, and inclination towards bizarre lineups. This year, when for the first time the team faced adversity, he has added a complete disinclination to do anything to change the team's fortunes, whether it is by changing strategies (trying a squeeze or the wheel play even once), changing the lineup (his shortstop has a .300 OBP for the last three months, but he is never moved out of the leadoff spot; his catcher is 1-for-22 against a pitcher but is not out of the lineup; his rightfielder is hitting .350 for the past two months and is batting 8th in the lineup; etc.), or changing his own demeanor (such as actually getting mad once in a while, whether it is aimed at umpires or his own players). His time with the Mets has been marked by (in the first two years) a dramatic upgrade in talent, followed by (in the last year) a noticeable drop relative to the rest of the league. It's no great surprise that the team's record has followed the same pattern. Considering that Randolph's critics have hundreds (if not thousands) of specific examples of horrible decision-making on his part, I would like to see his defenders come up with even a few specific examples of positive things he has done for the Mets. A manager's job is not to stand there and be strong; it's to give his team the best possible chance to win each game, and Randolph is completely clueless as to how to do that.
The Willie defenders don't have any examples because they're all Yankee fans and they don't watch the games.
You actually make a valid point. Fine then, hope for his firing. But I'm curious to see how the next Mets skipper wil be perceived when the chips are down.
Can you name one manager--a relatively unproven manager--who was perceived positively when the chips were down?
are you saying that yankee fans are quietly rooting for willie to do well?not the case my friend....no yankee fan is rooting for the mets because willie is there...we dont give two shits....I personally couldnt stand him because of his work as third base coach. I thought he was a clueless toolbag over there
