what's the flaw, though? he's saying NY gives you a boost. so jeter wouldn't put up the same numbers elsewhere, and other players could put up jeter-like numbers in ny
You can not predict stuff like that. A-Rod played for one of the worst teams in the MLB and put up MVP numbers...But in his mind it is only legit because he played for more then 1 team... What if Ortiz played for the Twins still? What if Wright played for Tampa Bay? And if NY gives you a boost, explain Brown, Pavano, Giambi, etc...
of course you can't say stuff like that for sure. you can only speculate. no one knows what would've happened had Jeter not been asking for a lot of money. Well, we know one part: He would've been drafted by the Reds instead of Hammonds. Teams passed on Jeter because of his monetary demands. it's not a flaw, it's just speculation.
Meanwhile, the same argument says that Jeter would have Ripken-like numbers in Baltimore, and he only made the All-Century team.
Well...Giambi used a little something extra when he put up those huge numbers with the A's. I didn't say that I could predict it - It's my opinion. We'll never know unless he actually goes to another team...and then if he puts up bad stats, you guys will come back with "oh, he's just past his prime".
Also, we're talking about hitting and fielding here...mainly hitting. Pitchers are never a sure thing. They can be good one start, and then awful the next. Look at Dontrelle Willis - The year the Marlins beat the Yanks in the World Series he was pretty nasty. The next season, he was mediocre. His third season he led the league in wins...then after that, he just kind of dropped off. He hasn't pitched well in a long time. The D-Train's only one example, but you don't come along DOMINANT, STEADY pitchers very often.
jeter is a better clutch player than ortiz, simply because he plays defense. he is a clutch hitter, as well as ortiz, but he makes clutch defensive plays, something ortiz does not do.
i like saying derek sanderson jeter when he plays, i also like saying my sons full name. when he starts playing in little league i know he will be a stand out.
Every starting short stop makes "clutch" plays - if you're a pro baseball player, I'm sure it's pretty easy to turn a double play, or to catch a line-drive. The play Jeter made against the A's (shovel pass) is one of the greatest relays/plays ever. Probably the greatest. The only reason you consider it a clutch hit, is because someone else is on base right? and I THINK if he played anywhere else, he wouldn't always have someone on base to bring in. There's too much talent on that team - I don't think teams are worried about Jeter. A-Rod and Giambi can end the game with one swing because they have so much power - Jeter can slap the ball all over the field, but the majority of my high school baseball team learned that. Sure he's a great hitter, but I don't think he'd be considered "CLUTCH" anywhere else besided New York. The guy is a winner, but the team he's on had a winning tradition far before he got there. Wins come with the territory.
Actually, when he got there it was 15 years from their last WS appearance in 1981. They were the WC in 95 the year before he came up and that was the Yankees first playoff appearance in 14 years which again was 1981. The Yankees tradition in that time frame was pretty pitiful so something has to be said about his addition to the team as one that helped put them over the top. And as for not being able to win a game with one swing. There's a reason he was named Mr. November.
Well our 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 00, 01, 03 and 06 seasons were better than yours flat out (02 and 05 had no clear winner) :wink: We just had that one bad season mate :sad:
I think the exact opposite is true too. NY can be a cancer on players who might be superstars anywhere else. How many good players have come here and been ridden out of town on a rail only to become great again somewhere else.
