I'm a Jet fan, I was rooting for Clemens as hard as I root for Chad, rooted for Vinny or any other Jet QB since Namath when I was a kid. He did some good things and some bad, we lost the game. The coaching staff obviously thinks Chad is our best option right now, thus he is in there this week. As a general rule: Professional coaches > Guys on the Internet
In case you missed it the Pats blew the doors off of Pittsburgh the following week. It takes more than luck to win a SB it takes a highly skilled team and a QB who has enough ability to elevate his game week after week against the leagues best. How many times did the knicks and Jets make the playoffs? The Yankees haven't even been able to win after making the playoffs for several years. The playoff system in football rewards teams that dominate during the regular season by giving them a bye and if your really good a bye with two home games. It rewards the advertisers by allowing many teams into the playoffs for the first and second rounds. We simply haven't been that good except in 04 when Chad broke down and was unable to compete at a high level for 2 playoff games in a row let alone 3. Vinny actually elevated his game in the playoffs and was a far better QB in 98 than Chad has ever been including 02 when he was healthy and that wasn't enough.
In case you missed it, the playoff format is as follows---lose the Raider game and you don't play Pittsburgh. The Pats also scored in the Pittsburgh game on a kick return by Troy Brown and a TD pass from Drew Bledsoe who came in for an injured Tom Brady. See the trend? Team game, different guys stepping up, including the kicker. The Knicks made it every year from 1987-88 through 2000-01. They made the second round or further every year from 1991-92 through 1999-2000. The last playoff series they won was a Game 7 in Miami in 2000, when Ewing on a bad leg stopped Alonzo Mourning in his prime twice in the final minute, grabbed an offensive rebound and made two FTs to win the game and the series. The Jets with Pennington have made it every year he's been in there for any amount of time, 2002, 2004 and 2006. :up: Loooove it. Your grasp of the playoff format here helps make my point. We've had the team of the decade in our division since before Chad took the starting job, that's his fault? So there goes the bye and the home game. When you factor that in, and the fact that there's only two other spots available for the rest of the AFC, I'd say he's done a good job in helping the team get in. When Vinny was here in 1998 there was no dominant team like the Patriots in our division, although we did have four teams make the playoffs that year. The dominant team was Denver and guess what? They beat us and won the Super Bowl.
Alright, cool, let's just all sit back and agree with every single decision the CS makes, I hear that makes for some great message board debates.
Maybe the first Chad debate was great, I'm relatively new here. But come on, how many do we need? QB has been the one position on the field where we've actually been good, that and kicker. Chad's the starter, it's not really a question. If anything should prove it, this whole episode should. They had the perfect window of opportunity if that's what they wanted to do. Did anyone actually see Vinny get hurt when they made the move to Chad? I never did. Aside from the freak achillies the one year, Vinny was pratically indestructible for 18 years or whatever, he was still going this summer. I don't think he needed to come out for an injury, that was the excuse. In this case you had a clear, unquestionable reason to replace Pennington and they're going back to him. Everyone doesn't have to love that, everyone doesn't have to like Chad. But if you're a Jet fan, we're playing fucking Miami this week and we're 0-2. Can we just worry about that and stop pissing about what Chad can and can't do? He's our QB now and we need to win this week, that's the reality.
1997 | Glenn Foley career stats | 1997 New York Jets | +----------+--------------------------+----------------+ | WK OPP | CMP ATT PYD TD INT | RSH YD TD | +----------+--------------------------+----------------+ | 8 nwe | 17 23 200 1 0 | 2 -4 0 | | 10 bal | 6 13 72 0 0 | 0 0 0 | | 11 mia | 25 48 322 1 1 | 1 -1 0 | | 12 chi | 8 13 111 1 0 | 0 0 0 | +----------+--------------------------+----------------+ | TOTAL | 56 97 705 3 1 | 3 -5 0 | +----------+--------------------------+----------------+ your right my bad ! why did i think he won that game?
I was at that game, ten years ago today, in fact. My late friend who is in my sig was there with me, they were giving away little Jets coolers, I think I still have mine somewhere. I remember mostly just the Mickens play and that it got us to 2-2. All in all that was a good day.
Just like you were rooting for Clemens, I will be rooting for Chad, just like I've been doing for years. Does that mean I have to stop thinking? Should I join the Jets army and salute Sergeant Junc every morning like a good little robot? I'm going to question anything and everything I see that will hold back the Jets from winning a championship and it has nothing to do with rooting for the team on the field. It's just being a fan of a long-suffering team. And debating the good and bad is what this board is for. If you don't like the argument then stop arguing. Don't get me wrong, I can get just as annoyed with repetitive arguments here, but I happen to think it's an important one.
Those of us who watched the game on 9-29-02 saw Testaverde injure his shoulder in the first quarter. Tonight's trivia- Stacey Mack scored three touchdowns in that game.
brady barely played in that game. NE's D and Sts won that game, unfortunately for the Jets the D and Sts played well enough to win in Jan '05 but Sts eventually lost it for us by missing 2 kicks. Since Chad took over we have had a new playoff format and he has played against a dynasty team, just making the playoffs(and even winning a division) has been truly amazing and he's done it mroe than any QB in Jets HISTORY. Vinny's 1998 was the best season by far of any Jets QB, whether it was the reg season or postseason. he did enough to lead us to a SB but his teammates let him down in denver. he came into a few games and helpedus win in a relief role so it's easy to get some of thsoe games confused. That was our first home win in almost 2 years. Chad was inserted b/c vinny gt hurt in that game but Vinny was ready to go the following week and Chad as given the starting job so Vinny lost his job for more than his 1 week injury.
The best post season performance by far was Namath against the Raiders in 68. The conditions that day were horrible and he threw the ball incredibly well in the decisive drive to win the game. It was by far the single greatest pressure performance by any Jets player in the history of this franchise.
I am not sying Joe wasn't great in that game but I have a hard time believing it was difficult to throw that day when lamonica threw it 47 times for 401 yds w/ zero INts while Joe threw 47 times for just 266 yds and did have an INT. Joe threw 3 Tds and led us to the win, that makes it great not the conditions which didn't play much of a role and Vinny's 1998 season was MUCH better than Joe's 1968 season but joe's teammates helped him unlike Vinny's in postseason.
Since you don't have a clue and never saw Namath I will ignore the stupid comment about the conditions. I believe Champ was actually at that game and might be able to give you a little insight.
You are correct I was at that game. I still maintain that if that was not an all AFL affair it may have gone down as one of the NFL greatest games ever. I still have the newspaper accounts of that game as well as SB3
I wasn't alive but when the opponent throws for 400 yds on less attempts and doesn't have any INts then it tells me the conditions were not that big of a deal.
I think the oppossing QB was pretty good Junc if I'm not mistaken he might have been a lot better than Pennington. He did lead the league twice in TD's and did go to 4 pro bowls and had an absolute rocket arm.
Ha if you trying to say that CP could have played in the wind tunnel known as Shea with his rubber arm you are just thowing $hit against the wall hoping it will stick. CP most likely would not have been even drafted by the NYJs when they played at Shea IMHO
I don't care if he was Unitas or marino, if the conditions were that difficult it would have affected he passing games and it clearly did not. I know lamonica was alot better than Joe but if the conditions were that bad it would have affected them. When 2 teams that both had good ground games threw it a combined 96 times w/ just 1 INT then it tells you the condtions weren't that bad to throw in. oak's RBs had 16 carries compared to 47 pass attempts, the Jet RBs had 33 rushes compared to 49 pass atempts. it obviously wasn't that difficult to throw that day.
The problem with Junc is he is a stat freak & thinks everything in the FB world can be proven thru stats which most smart people know is totally untrue
