I'm actually going to try to have an actual discussion with you regarding this. What aspect of his game is overrated? His fielding? His hitting? What area of his game do you feel he gets too much credit? Are there any statistics you could point to which support your argument?
I never tried. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and provide a reasonable argument. If i am wrong, feel free to make fun of me.
:lol: Hackett, you totally missed the boat. We had a fun thread about whether "Derek Sanderson Jeter" is overrated or not already.
I just think the Yanks are the same with or without him. He has good numbers this season, but most yank fans are acting like Jeter is the savior. That team is filled with All-Star caliber players...I would just like to see them throw some random short stop out there for a week so I can see what he can do with all of that talent around him. Once again - IF Jeter started and stayed with the Royals for the same amount of time he's been with the Yanks, no one would care that his middle name, Sanderson, is so incredibly queer...because they wouldn't even know who the guy was. Jeter being overrated is purely my opinion I just think he'd be average at best on most major league teams and we'll probably never know how he plays on another team - the Yanks would be stupid to let him and all the money he makes them go.
But on a team "filled with All-Star caliber players", why is Jeter the overrated one? Why not Posada? Or Rivera? Was Bernie Williams Overrated? They all played for one team: The Yankees. Why is Jeter the only "overrated" one?
This is great. I'd love to know how many people would know the name Jose Reyes if he played for the Kansas City Royals. You can say the same thing for ANY damn player in the major leagues. And I've already debunked your theory about "any shortstop could fill in for Jeter" in the trashtalking forum MrE. John McDonald of the Blue Jays couldn't wear Jeter's jock. So you're wrong. So STFU.
As over the top as MrElectric is with his assertions I think some of what he's saying is valid. Jeter isn't known for being an amazing player or the best hitter in the league etc. He's known because he's won alot and performed pretty well in the postseason(I'd argue this is due to him having so many opportunities). I think Miguel Tejada is a better comparison for Jeter had he not played on a dynasty team. I mean the guys a nice hitting shortstop but I don't think there are going to be any Miguel Tejada for Cooperstown campaigns when he retires.
Now this is a well thought out, and probably very valid argument. Jeter on the Orioles is probably a .270-.280 hitter, who plays a decent shortstop defensively. However, his play was elevated by his teammates. Fair enough, IMO. But that's what playoff-caliber teams are supposed to do. The team should add up to more than the sum of its parts. What Mr.E likes to assert however, is that the Yankees would be in the same position they are now, with ANY other shortstop currently in the major leagues. John McDonald, I can assure you, would not have had the offensive numbers Jeter did this year, so right there, he's wrong.
He basically just said what I've been saying all along, yet his statement is "well thought out and a valid argument"...okay pal. How can you prove that John McDonald wouldn't do what Jeter did if put in the same situation? You CAN'T prove that. As for not knowing who Jose Reyes is if he were on the Royals...we'd know who he was. If you pay attention to MLB, you know who Carl Crawford is don't you? He's on a garbage Devil Rays team and he is well-known because he's a fast, exciting player, just like Reyes. I'm sure Reyes wouldn't have the same RBI count with the Royals as he does on the Mets, but he'd have just as many steals. You can't coach speed.
Your argument is so flawed. on one hand you want to claim Jeter would not be as good on another team. And in the same breath you claim any other SS would put up the same numbers in NY.
