Take a look at Mannings Numbers and points against the Ravens and the Pats in last years playoffs in back to back weeks. You might want to reconsider that opinion.
You know I wonder if Mangini has picked up on this with Chad this week. The "selfish" part of Chad is something I never really noticed before, but it was obvious this week. The way he answered questions and acted you could see that Chad wanted to start to protect his position, not to help the team or because it was in the best interest of the team. As I am writing this, I am thinking about wkat Kellen said that he just took the field without being told to. That may have been a test of Kellen, since Chad was being so passive aggressive to see if Kellen would take the role. And he did.
You can make that point, but when you look at the Manning stats take into consideration that the game was in Baltimore against a divisional opponent with a healthy Ravens defense compared to the game against New England in Indy where the Indy offense always puts up big numbers. Indy always has trouble against Tennessee lately, but I wouldn't consider them the greatest defense in the league. Divisional games are just like that. At the same time, remember this is not last year and Baltimore is not healthy. Ray Lewis has torn tricep and A. Thomas is now playing for New England. I think they have a better defense than the Ravens this year.
So you saying if Chad was selfish and played with a bum ankle and wasn't effective that would help secure his position. I think Chad is just a competitor and wants to play. Every player should be like this, except J. Abraham!! It is the coaches job to determine if a player is healthy enough to be effective, not the players.
The Pats have a slightly better front, slightly. The Pats secondary is absolute crap compared to the Ravens. With Seymour and Harrison out the Ravens are less beat up than the Pats D was against us.
Last year was last year, what does a playoff game in january have to do w/ week 2 the following season? Go back and watch the tape and you'll see guys open, you'll see alot of time for KC to throw. His lack of experienced caused his decisions to be slower than they needed to be which caused the sacks. The first INt was thrown high, it probably still would have been picked. KC was brutal for 3 qtrs and excellent for 1. Pro Bowls are meaningless, Chad deserved it in 2002 when he LED THE NFL IN PASSING and the led the Jets to DIVISION TITLE after the started 1-4, 2-5. He was also on his way to a great statistical year in '04 before he got hurt. Dilfer's Pro Bowl year: 56 %, 2555 yds, 6.6 YPA, 21 TDs 11 INts, 82.8 rating Chad's 2002: 68.9 %, 3120 yds, 7.8 YPA, 22 Tds, 6 INTs, 104.2 rating yeh who would like a winnig play onthe field, a class act off he field and a guy who gives maximum effort at all times. Why would anyone like Chad? John abraham was run out of town b/c he didn't play hurt enoough. Jet rfan can't have it both ways. he plays b/c he knows he gives us the best chance to win and he's put is career on the line multiple times playing w/ injuries. and played less while pang half the game hurt and at least kept us in the game for a half which is something River could not do. You do realize this is 2007 not 2006 right? After watching both D's he first 2 weeks NE's D RIGHT NOW is playing ALOT better.
Exactly... and how ridiculous was it how he had his helmet on the whole game on the sideline, holding a ball, acting as if he was ready to go into the game? What about holding a clipboard? If I was Kellen, I'd have been insulted... What player who's not in the game stands there with his helmet on??? NO ONE BUT THE CHAD!
Speculation excusses and opinions based on no real facts. How do you know the first ball is high if Coles doesn't fall down? Chad deserved the pro bowl in 02 based on Junc's opinion not a fact. Recievers were open all over the field, you saw it when the camera was on the QB holding the ball to long. You speculated that the Jets win with Chad which is also complete speculation since Chad has a history and a terrible record of lossing big time to good teams. Your favorite line is Chad's record vs all other Jets QB's. In 03 when the Jets weren't very good both Chad and Vinny had a lossing record. In 04 when the Jets had a very good team both Chad and Carter had a winning record. In 05 before Mawae and Curtis went down Chad had a lossing record and so did every other QB the Jets put on the field. In 99 the Jets went 7 & 2 with Ray Lucas and 1 & 6 with every one else. I guess you could make the same argument for Ray Lucas as you do for Chad.
It was the worst display of supporting a teammate that I have ever seen on an NFL sideline. Chad standing there with his helmet on and the ball under his arm as if to say: "Ok, rook, one mistake and you're out!" I've never seen a backup QB wearing a helmet until the coaches told him to put it on. Edit: juxtapose Chad's reaction with Vinny's extraordinarily supportive one when he got replaced. I don't know if Chad is going to have a place with the Jets when the change finally gets made and is confirmed. He makes too much money and will generate too much tension in the locker-room.
We have no idea what Mangini and Shot really think of Clemens and Chad at this point. They have clearly hitched their wagon to Chad for right now. I believe we can't afford to have both on the team past this year because if Clemens is indeed the guy down the road than Chad can't be retained next year he simply costs to much money. On the other hand if Chad is going to be retained next year at huge money it probably means we are committed to him for more than just next year which means Clemens will have to be moved before his contract is up he will just be to valuable to be a young backup for us at that point. While it's logical to see what we have in Clemens this year, this is the Jets and as a long time fan I expect that Clemens will be lighting it up for some other team while chad is nursing an injury and fill in the blank is leading the Jets to a 5 and 11 season when the other parts are in place.
It looked high to me, it looked like it was going to have to be an incredible catch if Coles didn't fall down. Actually he deserved it based on LEADING THE NFL IN PASSING and LEADING HIS TEAM TO A DIVISION TITLE after the team stared 1-4, 2-5. it's funny you post how dilfer was a Pro Bowl QB then I show you how much better Chad's '02 season was and you ignore that. I speculate based on the fact that KC had all day to throw, Chad is more decisive and can read defenses unlike KC at this point(at least in the 1st 3 qtrs). if they attacked the Jets the same way and Chad had all that time he would have picked Bal apart and we never would have been down 20-3 so Chad's "weak arm" wouldn't have had to bring us back down 17 in the 4th. '03 Vinny 2-5(29%) Chad 4-5(44%) In '04 Quincy 2-1(67%) Chad 8-5(62%) Quincy did beat Ari and Cle and led our O to a grand total of 23 points against those teams. the week after we beat Cle 10-7 Cle gave up 58 points, the week after we won 13-3 at Ari the Cards gave up 26 at DETROIT. What about 2002? Vinny 1-3(25%) Chad 8-4(67%) and 2005: Chad 1-2(33%) Others 3-10(23%) Jets win % w/ Chad since 2002(31-24): 56% Jets win % w/o Chad since 2002(8-19): 30% If ray did it multiple times and maybe if Ray led us to the playoffs then yeah but Ray didn't lead us to postseason and never again won a game for the NY Jets. :lol: :lol: You guys are so hysterical. the worst display of supporting a teammate:lol: :lol:
Bravo NYJUNC... You are typing for many of us. As for the helmet thing.. I have to admit I wondered about that too. Then I thought, that's so he can hear the plays? Thoughts?
In 02 Chad had a healthy shoulder he was excellent until he faced Oakland a second time. I don't think there are many people who think Chad wasn't a good QB in 02 and had he stayed healthy would have been an even better QB down the road. The problem is Chad is not and has not been the same QB since he got hurt. As you pointed out with your stats, when the Jets had a very good team in 04 Chad had a winning record and so did the back up. In 03 and 05 both Chad and the backup QB had lossing records. In 05 Chad had a lossing record with a healthy Mawae and Martin. Chad had a healthy season last year and we won 10 games. This year again Chad has gone down. The problem with Chad is he doesn't carry the team, and he is paid as if he was a QB who could, and unless you have a very good and in this NFL expensive potential starter behind him you are sunk. I used to have a Jaguar X sports car years ago. It was a blast to drive but the problem was you needed two of them because I couldn't depend on it to get out of the garage.
The problem w/ your argument is you are using 3 game smaples from '04(w/ Quincy) and '05(w/ Chad). The bottom line is we win when Chad plays and we don't when Chad does not. Chad was as good as '02 in 2004 before he hurt his shoulder, we were 6-1 and he had a rating around 100 then he got hurt and he hasn't been the same #s wise but a year ago he still led us to 10 wins despite 2 rookies on the OL, no running game and a mediocre defense most of the year. Chad was not paid like he ahd to carry the team, it was bad luck he got hurt after he signed his deal but his deal was not outrageous and he is not being paid like peyton or Mcnabb who are expected to carry their teams.
He didn't take a pay cut at all, he restructured to aviod being cut. He got the full 9 million he would have last year.
The problem with your argument is you ignore the fact that Chad misses a high percentage of his games and he isn't the same as you pointed out he hurt his shoulder in 04. You yourself argue the Jets win against Baltimore, dumb argument because Chad has shown no ability to beat teams with that kind of D, but even if you want to make that argument the fact is he wasn't in the game because the HC felt he was a liability in his current condition. As you pointed out and continue to ignore the Jets have a lossing record with Chad and without Chad in years the Jets have a lossing record and a winning record with Chad and the backup when the Jets have a winning record except for 02 when Chad was healthy. Even in 04 Chad did not lead the Jets to the playoffs. No AFC team made the playoffs with 8 wins.
He took off the helmet for most of the 3rd quarter, wearing his Jet's cap instead. Then in the 4th quarter helmet back on and ball under his arm. It was disgraceful. Tuiasosopo clearly says something animated to him on the tape just before the Jets big rally and the next thing you see his helmet is back off and no ball in hand.
If he restructured to avoid being cut.. how did he not take a paycut? Or at least a potential paycut down the road?
