As excited i am to see kellen take off on sunday i am also a little worried. What troubles me is not the potential injury he may suffer, but something far worse-happy feet. David Carr was sacked so many times when he played for houston that he never weas able to feel comfortable in the pocket, same thing happened with patrick ramsey in washington, we cant allow clemens to get killed so much this year that he will develop jittery feet, which leads to him leaving the pocket too quickly and poor accuracy, ask any redskin or texan fan and they will tell u that a constant barrage of sacks and hits will ruin your quaterbacks mentality and trust, in addition he will not develop the ever important comfort level that many young qbs lack, we need kellen to be smooth and elusive in the pocket, not jittery and paranoid, if u wanna know what im talking about look at the ari-sf game and remember how alex smith looked like he was tap dancing and then putting no touch on his passes....i realize this isn't well written and for that i apologize, but what do u guys think, i just hope he will survive baltimore!!
If he sits back like DC and gets sacked time after time in his first NFL start it's not a good sign. If he does that repeatedly(start after start), it's time to draft another QB.
David Carr didn't sit back in his rookie season - I saw some stat a while ago on TV...I can't remember the exact number, but I think David Carr had the ball for 2.4 seconds on average before he took a hit. That is only enough time to throw a slant or a dump off to a running back. Carr is now mentally screwed from his time in Houston, but maybe he can pull it together in Carolina. I hope he does. I think the Jets O-line will give Clemens' more than enough time on many pass attempts in this game against the Ravens, but he's going to get hit - It's the Ravens.
Carr is so ridiculously overrated and I have trouble believe that stat. He definitely held onto the ball too long and took too many sacks, maybe not his first season if that is really true, but definitely afterwards. You also need to compare that time to what the average QB has. 3 seconds in the NFL is usually considered a good amount of time. Plenty of QBs have started with bad O-lines. I'm certain Aikman didn't start with a great one.
Aikman had a bad line at 1st. Then he got Emmit Smith and Michael Irvin, along with a better line. Carr isn't too overrated. He completes a high percentage of passes, when given the time to throw. He needs a good line to do well and he has one in Carolina if Jake goes down,
I like how you think Clemens getting happy feet is somehow worse than him getting injured. I'd rather he get happy feet.
i'm not saying that at all i am just pointing out how happy feet kill a qb career, in addition i am not just talking about the raven game, i dont want him to get killed all year long and DEVELOP happy feet over the course of this and next season! PS-I would NEVER EVER EVER want or be less worried about an injury to clemens, any jets or any player in the nfl, any fan who would is a moron
you are absolutely correct, aikmen got murdered his firts year, hopefully kellen will have an aikmen like career, even without the cocaine ring aikmen had for teammates lolol
i am not bringing this thread back to say i am some sort of football expert because i am not, but now that we have some evidence of the result of a poor oline and a young qb, what do u guys think of this now? i actually still think kellen has a chance to negate this bad habits, but it wont happen until next year and it will only happen if we can protect him, if he is bad with good protection, then i think we can evalute him a little better....please respond with honesty and intelligence, something that has lacked on this board recently, (i am not innocent and i know we are frusterated, but please, intelligent talk only)
I think if the Jets improve their offensive line that Clemens will not get the "David Carr effect", and if they do not improve their offensive line then anybody they put back there over the next year or two will. If the Jets are going to pull themselves out of the gutter it will be on the backs of a good offensive line. Any other scenario is going to be just ugly.
The absolutely best thing the Jets could do this offseason is bring in a veteran and proven QB coach. You do this, clemens can be as good as the next guy, you don't and you just keep bringing in QB's expecting them to be good, but not really doing anything to develop them.
Exactly. Nowadays people want to say Carr always sucked and etc...but throwing a rookie QB behind a terrible O-line is going to build bad habits and yes...screw up careers. Hopefully we don't do the same to Clemens. If you look around the league, almost every young franchise QB thats productive nowadays is playing behind a solid at worst O-line and actually had a pretty decent offense already built or is getting up there. Look at Derek Anderson...sucked but had the skills and didn't play enough to totally have his confidence destroyed...now he's behind a great O-line with two dominant playmakers and he looks like he'll be a productive QB for the Browns for a long time.
If the FO does not seriously address the O-line with some veterans this offseason, and get a decent blocking fullback, I think the David Carr effect is probably an inevitable outcome.
I noticed during Kellens first start and 2nd start he was extremely aware of the pass rush but didnt flinch. Now it seems he's a little too aware of the impending preasure . They had a Film session on NFL Network when talking about AFC match up's and they showed Kellen curling up before the rush got to him several times and taking his eyes away from down feild. This is a very bad habbit to break once your fears out weight your desire to throw to a reciever!
This is so well said. I would rank the offensive line as the #1 priority this off-season; even over any defensive adjustments.
Honestly, I can't blame the guy. The interception for 7 against New England was 100% on the offensive line. If Kellen doesn't throw it is a safety which could have turned into a likely 5 to 9 points. If Kellen intentionally was able to throw the ball out of bounds it also would have been a safety because he wasn't outside the tackles. He tried instead to force the ball in there brought about solely by field position. You can say, why didn't we run the ball? With all the times that our runningbacks have been tackled 1 or 2 yards deep this year; 2 of those plays and we wouild have had a safety also. Yes, our offensive line has been the worst I have seen on any Jets team in the 40 years I have been watching them.
Forget Carr, anyone remember the guy in my avatar? We need line help to develop Clemens, without a doubt.
I'm sad to say that Carr's days in Houston behind that swiss cheese o-line turned him into a scared player. He formed a lot of bad habits and instead of making reads, he automatically looks to his check off receiver. Anyone that calls him overrated obviously didn't see him play in college. He deserved to go where he did in the draft, but in Houston, behind that line, no one could've produced. David Carr is officially an NFL bust, but he is one of the greatest passing college quarterbacks to play out west.
Umm David Carr sucks. Even when he has time he can't throw the ball in the ocean never the less hit an open wide receiver. Good QB's aren't scared even if they have a weak o-line. Instead they hang in there and make plays anyway. I don't believe for one second if he had a good offensive line that he would be any good. College is college and this is the NFL some QB's just can't handle the speed of the game and Carr is one of them, as is Joey Harrington. You know who else besides Carr was good in college Browning Nagle.
