This is the argument that has been going on about Schlegal for 9 pages... I agree that we should give him a chance, but this guy hates the idea of rookies not producing immediately.
PA- that's just not true- it's the fact that he hasn't seen the field as a 3rd rounder-- I don't think it was a good pick, and I don't see him being a starter this year, as some fools on here were arguing. You seem to have a hard on for me based on previous threads where we went at it- but I think you are arguing against what you really believe just to disagree with me.
imo i dont think he will start either, although i do think he deserves a shot...he will have a chance to prove himself through out training camp.
I believe you said this.... Code: i hope the our 3rd rounder this year is inactive 3/4 of the time and has 2 tackles. I don't hate Drob, I never said that, and I never said I wanted him to fail. God knows I wish he was the stud he was supposed to be coming out of college. I said he is an average player at best, and hasn't proven otherwise in the years hes been in a Jet uniform. My bringing up DRob was just an example of a player taken at his position (top 5 pick) and failing miserably, VS. a player taken in the 3rd round in which you seem to want to dog based on a story about his favorite pastime, and only playing in his first year on a team loaded with veteran linebackers. My point is simple, don't count this guy out just yet, did you count out Drob after his first season? It doesn't appear so being you have him as your avatar. Your first 2 post came off way overboard and a bit tacky in my opinion. OK, forget what I said about your avatar, my concern is your tone that was expressed about a player that was in a write up in this thread. Most are not in love with Schlegel as you implied about who ever was posting in this thread about him, I m simply giving the guy the benefit of the doubt until I'm proven otherwise, just as I did for Drob his first couple years. As for Drob, hes had his chance, and still hasn't lived up to a top 5 pick. How well has our run D been since he's been a starter for the Jets, and how well has this guy done in collapsing the pocket?? Why not answer my question? Do you think that Drob has lived up to his draft position, don't forget, we gave up 2 first round picks to move up and grab this guy. I will be the first to say that I was on the DRob ban wagon for the first couple years, but I can no longer have faith in this guy because of his performance, or lack there of. Once A. Schlegel has had an opportunity to prove himself to be a good player or fail, then it will be time for judgment, but no way can you compare a player taken in round 3 and call him a bust in his first season, and at the same time praise a top 5 pick who's had years to earn his keep. You look at the salary cap numbers and tell me who the bust is.
I just want to clear one thing up........D-rob played as well as any D-lineman in the NFL after our bye starting with the away Patriots game, anyone that doesn't give D-rob credit for last year's performance (2nd half) is either delusional or just plain ignorant......yes he doesn't fit a prototypical NT, and that's what's even more impressive......the guy demanded double teams, not beause of his size, but because of his ability to penetrate gaps and knock over O-lineman with his quickness and power......he started off bad, like the rest of our D, but around mid-season something must have clicked because he was on fire the second half of the year......if pouha can come in and play NT effectively, D-rob will be able to truly dominate from the 3-4 DE position......I really believe that......think Ty Warren with a lot more talent, albeit Ty probably is more consistant, but still As for Schlegal, Ambrose has been dead on all along.....Big Cotch you just aren't being reasonable man......you can think he will be a bust, whatever, but to completely write him off is laughable at best at this point.....we will have a much better idea about what Schegal can and cannot do next season
thought you would be able to detect my sarcasm but guess not. also we were forced to trade those 2 picks due to the evans drug suspension. look at the other dt's taken in the first round that year i think alot ended up being pretty bad.
Schlegel is the second coming of...wait......there's never BEEN another like Schlegel. This guy is a hunter among mere SHEEP in the NFL. When he's healthy, he'll change the way the game is played, and he'll easily carry us too a number one ranked defense. If somone asks you how the Jets plan to improve against the run, and the defense in general, just say "Schlegel". They'll understand.
You cant possibly be comparing a defensive tackle who has started practically every game for us since the day he was drafted and has never been CLOSE to a liability, to anthony schlegal.
Nobody would be complaining about Robertson if he was merely our first rounder 4 years ago. The only reason people bitch about him is because of what we traded to get him.
And rightfully so. But that doesnt make him a bust. He just came into the league during a time when many teams including the jets completely over-valued the DT position due to Warren Sapp. Case in point: The year earlier, The Chiefs and Vikings were racing up to the podium at once for the rights to Ryan Sims.
...and rightfully so. Although, that was considered a weak draft by the FO so the value of what we gave away could be argued. Either way he's a 4-3 DT in a 3-4 world. Just a holdover from the previous regime like, dare I say, JV. I hope that guy can get it together, but I guess we can at least get #1 or #2 for him if he can't make the switch.
That's pretty much what I meant. He's definitely not a bust. If we didn't trade two firsts for him I think people would be pretty happy with his play. He was a bit overhyped coming out, and the trade we made to get him raised expectations even higher.
alot of people forget we pretty much had nobody at dt because of the evans suspension so we were more or less forced to trade up for him.
