Jeaux, You said that it was okay to cut Moses because he was the 5th best DE on the team.. Why would the FO spend a early 3rd pick on someone who would be 5th best? That pick couldnt have been better used? You do not spend a 3rd round pick on someone you dont expect to be on the team that year and normally its someone that you would expect to be starting by the end of the year if not the next. I know that you will use Schlegal as an example since he was a 3rd rounder too but at least he got some game time and made a few plays before he got cut.
I don't think he's much more than a really good stopgap for a year, and that's all the Raiders need him to be. But at least I'm backing up my opinion that he's better than Pennington with facts. You're really not addressing the argument with anything worthwhile.
Actually the premise of this thread was that they cut Moses "by accident" which was never true in the first place.
Boy what a comedown it would be if a stupid team with a delusional fanbase turned out to be better than the New York Mangeniuses. Who knows, stranger things have happened...
what facts? You haven't made a cogent argument yet. I'm still waiting, but I'm not holding my breath. Here's a fact: Fumblpepper hasn't been an effective QB in three years. I can guarantee you he's not the player he was in 2004.
You mean what Profootballtalk came up with saying very vaguely that it wasnt a mistake and that the internet rumors were false...thats the Raiders PR department's doing...I loved the lack of explanation that followed.. give it up Raider fans...it was a mistake, live with it...your organization is flat out terrible
2004 is not the argument. The big picture is whether or not he's a good stopgap for this year. The side argument is whether or not Pennington is a better player. Facts: Culpepper has Pro Bowls on his resume. Chad does not. Culpepper has been an MVP runner up. Chad has not. Culpepper has played in 4 playoff games and taken his team to a championship game. Chad had played in 5 playoff games and taken his team to zero championship games. Culpepper has won a playoff game on the road in a notoriously tough environment (Green Bay). Chad wilted in Oakland and New England. Pennington limits what the Jets can do offensively because he has a subpar arm and is not particularly mobile. Culpepper does not. You're a good fan and I was kind enough to accept a sig bet from you before the Raider-Jet game last year knowing full well the Raiders would lose that game. But you are anything but impartial in any Raider-Jet argument on this board. Even Coach K conceded my main point about Pennington, and I notice you didn't address the fact that many on this board prefer Clemens over Chad. Seems to me if people prefer the guy who has nothing but a couple of nice preseason performances on his resume over Chad, then maybe Chad's not that great. Let me put it this way; If Culpepper was on your roster right now, you would have a QB controversy. If people are clamoring for Clemens, they would be clamoring for Culpepper, especially since he's played well this summer...
This is moronic. Moses the 3rd rounder was outplayed by Richardson the 5th rounder, end of story. You're the one clinging to a conspiracy theory.
More likely to make a Pro Bowl THIS YEAR? Chad or Duante???? ummmm, ill place my chips in Chad's corner, and run away like I just robbed the bank!
I'd say neither will go to the Pro Bowl. And when they retire the record will show that Culpepper was a Pro Bowler and Chad never was.
weak argument NJ!!! who is more likely to go this year? Chad OR Duante???? you can answer it, we all know what you will say...its ok!
I don't come on here and make predictions, that's Joe's job. The Raider offense was perhaps the worst offense in modern football history last year, I'm not predicting their QB will have a Pro Bowl season this year. On the contrary to what many of you think about Raider fans, I'm not delusional. On the other hand, Chad is going into his 8th season and has a mere 40 starts (according to someone in this thread) and has never gone to a Pro Bowl. Last year he has 17 TDs and 16 INTs in a very low risk offense. The offensive line may be worse this year and they couldn't run block to take pressure off him last year. Add in the fact that Brady, Manning, and Palmer play in the AFC and I don't think Chad will be booking a trip to Hawaii either.
side step all you want....I wasnt asking for predictions...Who is more likely, as in...Who is a better QB...as in, is Culpepper better then Chad at this point in time... I wouldn't bet on either one going this year either with the company they have, but I guarantee you, homerism aside, Chad's chances are much better then Culpepper's...
Duante will play as well this year as he did last year with the Dolphins if or when he plays. It says alot when you cant beat out Cleo Lemon and your team has to make its what 4th trade for a QB in the last 3 years...... Jets wouldnt have signed him because they dont need him. The only QB controversy (sp?) would have been between him and Tui for the third qb spot not the starter. Oakland was conceivably the only place for Duante because they had the worst set of QB's (except for the fins but he couldnt even make that team.)
I was trying to say that it doesn't neccessarily matter whether a QB sits out or plays his first season. Manning had a shitty first few games, Palmer sat out, they are both at the top of the league now.
What on earth is your point? I'm not Chad's biggest fan. What I said is I'd rather have Clemens OR Chad over Culpepper. Chad isn't an elite quarterback. But he's still superior to Culpepper, no questions asked. you come here and make stupid comments about how the Raiders might play better than the Jets, while trying to cover your ass if it doesn't happen. You're not Raiderjoe because you don't have the gall to constantly make homer predictions. I'm willing to bet anyone who thinks the Raiders offense will be better than the Jets offense.
