culpepper hasn't played well since 2004. He was terrible in 2005 even BEFORE he got injured. I'd MUCH rather have a healthy Pennington than a healthy Culpepper, and most of the teams in the league obviously agree with me. I'm still waiting for you to back up your words. You said the Raiders offense is easily better than the Jets offense. Put up or shut up.
This wasn't addressed to me, but I'll chime in anyway. Pennington may be the second smartest QB in the league behind Peyton Manning. Culpepper is not very intelligent. Culpepper's laser rocket arm does not make up for his suspect decision making and fumbling problem. Pennington has overcome arm strength issues and injuries to be a QB who has led his team to multiple playoff appearances. Culpepper is a QB whose stats always make him look better than he really is. He's very Elvis Grbacian. I had some posts about this in 2006 when Miami was interested in acquiring him. I'll try to dig them up. There are a whole slew of similar posts from nyjunc floating around here on TGG somewhere. That all said, I prefer Kellen Clemens to Pennington and I prefer JaMarcus Russell to Culpepper. I saw the two young pups play plenty of football in college and both were highly impressive. Clemens is a tough quarterback much like Sonny Jurgensen and Brett Favre and Eagles rookie Kevin Kolb. Russell is a less flawed version of Culpepper and Doug Williams. If he gets coached right, Russell will be a top 5 QB in this league, right up there with Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Carson Palmer, and Drew Brees.
When Chad Pennington has played more then 13 games he has made the playoffs every year. Tell me what other qb with multiple years of experience you can say the same thing about?
# re4 You going to be very sorry using L Jordan. L Jordan not going to be bum this year. Raiders line improved due to new coaching staff. Offense more deadly, better passing, better coaching. L Jordan healthy again. He should run for like 1200 yards. :: Raiderjoe — 9/1/2007 @ 1:07 pm # Here’s who I went with: QB: David Garrard QB: Trent Green RB: Vernand Morency RB: Ahman Green RB: LenDale White WR: Reggie Brown WR: Drew Bennett WR: Courtney Roby K : Justin Medlock K : Jay Feely Is Reggie Brown the new Ike Hilliard? :: RobM — 9/1/2007 @ 6:17 pm # All the talk in Philly is that Brown is primed for a break-out season. Of course, he disappeared in the preseason, but the Eagles will likely get less production from the TEs and with Curtis forcing teams to pay attention, Brown could benefit. At least this what I tell myself. :: Harris — 9/1/2007 @ 7:02 pm # re6 Smart guy. Has no Raiders on team. Remember people in Loser league you want bad players. So no point in having Raiders on tean. Raiders O to be good this year. No rreaason team can’t beat Lions by 30 points next week. Regular season Get here already. My lose rleague picks- qb- D huard qb- J Kitba rb- T Bell rb- T Jones Rb- M Lynch Wr- A battle WR- B Marshall WR- M, Furrey K- Lions guy K- L Tynes :: Raiderjoe — 9/2/2007 @ 1:13 am # wait, Tynes on giants now. i forgot. Sports Illsutrated says Justin Medlock new Cheefs kicker. so justin Medlock my other kicker pick Lions one other one oh SI says Jason Hanosn Lions K. He sitll kicks? Who knew? :: Raiderjoe — 9/2/2007 @ 1:16 am # Hanson is still in the NFL? I thought he jumped ship back to the XFL where his career started… wow, blew over my head… oh and my teams would be like this… QB: T. Dilfer QB: D. Flutie HB: Mugelli HB: Kimbal Anders WR: Issac Holt WR: A. Van Dyke WR: Dre’ Bly K: John Hall K: Jeff Feagles :: Ted Reamus — 9/2/2007 @ 1:23 am # Dre Bly is not WR. He is cb on Broncos. going to be exposed by Raiders receivers. C Bailey had trouble with J Porter in snow game of 2004. Said Porter toughest receiver to cover. Bly get R Curry. Going to be major problem for Bly. Raiders go at least 1-1 against Broncos, maybe 2-0. Definitely finish ahead of broncos in AFC West :: Raiderjoe — 9/2/2007 @ 1:27 am # Sports Illustarted says Raiders go 4-12. I want to know what they smoke in SI office. Only Lions (4-12) and Falcons (3-13) get worse predicions. SCout says L Jordan can still be great. I been saying that all year. Scout also says Jamarcus Russell should have been signed. Big deal. He was going to sit and watch games anyway. Raiders plan is to sit him like Bengals did with C Plamer when he was rookie. So now J Russell sit in box and watch game with Al Davis insteaed of sitting on bench during game. Raiders can take time signing him (might sign him before next weekend) and he can sit whole year. Will start in 2008 and will be good. Will have great impact as rookie just like Ben Roehtlisberfer. Best thing about Raiders article is ad on other page. Evan Williams ad show old black and white photo- not good. That part of ad like KC Chiefs. Other part of ad has amazing woman. That woman is like Raiders. Raiders HC L Kiffin probably going to show this article and prediction to team as bulletin board material. Now ay Raiders go 4-12. :: Raiderjoe — 9/2/2007 @ 1:41 am
What exactly do you think they do in those minicamps, jumping jacks? In his first practice Kiffin said they installed 82 plays. Were those "fake" plays? For that matter, a bunch of guys who have no realistic shot at making the team get playbooks every summer. Then when they hear "coach wants to see you, bring your playbook", they get cut only to sign with a different team a day later. How are rookies, especially rookie quarterbacks, supposed to learn a new playbook if they don't get it until the end of July?
I don't think most of the teams in the league agree with you. Culpepper was looking for a one year deal, and the Raiders were looking for a one year quarterback. Most teams didn't want him for one year. He definitely has to prove he's healthy, but so did chad a year ago. If Chad were cut today do you think teams would be lining up to make him their starter? By the way, before I "put up or shut up", where did I say the Raider offense would be better than the Jets offense? You do realize I'm NJRaider, not Raiderjoe, right?
Fair enough, but some of what you said applies to Culpepper as well as Pennington. Peniington has led his team to multiple playoff appearances, so has Culpepper. In fact Culpepper has taken his team to a championship game, Pennington has not. Chad has overcome arm strength issues, but it's still a problem that limits the Jets' offense. Against Culpepper a defense has to defend the whole field and worry about him taking off if everyone's covered. Against Pennington, the defense knows to jump the short routes and not worry about the long stuff as much because his longer passes float. He's also not a threat to run. That means he's limited in what he can do, and in turn the Jets are limited in what they can do. That is one of the reasons he has come up small in some big games against better defenses. And when you say he's "overcome" injuries, let's not get ahead of ourselves. The guy has had one 16 game season. That doesn't exactly make him Lou Gehrig. Culpepper has to prove he's healthy too, but Pennington has to prove last year wasn't a fluke. Hopefully for you the play of the offensive line in the preseason was an aberration because they don't look ready to keep him clean this year, even with all the three step drops...
You're kidding, right? He's going into his eighth season and he's started 13 or more games twice! 13 games in '04 and 16 (finally) last year. This is not an amazing feat. For the record, Culpepper has had four seasons with 13 or more starts and taken his team to the playoffs twice. That doesn't make him John Elway but he hasn't exactly been outshined by Chad either. He's also won a playoff game in Green Bay and taken his team to a championship game. What has Chad done once he's in the playoffs?
holy shit buster davis was cut!? that guy is a machine. I dont care what anyone says hes worth a look. if not with the jets at least someone. I would at least bring him in if im the Saints.
correction: most teams didn't want him at all. No team offered him a multi-year contract worth much of anything.
Is that because of his injury history or his play? There were reports that the Jags wanted him for three years, perhaps they had designs on cutting Leftwich back in July. Bottom line is Culpepper and Chad both have injury histories, although with Culpepper it's one big injury, with Chad it's a bunch of them. Having said that, a healthy Culpepper is better than a healthy Chad. Better in talent, better in stats, and better in results.
I don't know the stats off the top of my head, but a healthy Chad is 26-14 (2-3 postseason) so far, by my count. What about Daunte?
Even your count is very telling. Forty starts for a QB you took in the first round eight years ago? And you're confident he's that much better than a guy who's been an MVP runner up? I don't know Culpepper's record, I do know he's 2-2 in the playoffs. I know he's taken a team to the championship game, something Chad hasn't done. I'm not trying to suggest Culpepper is Elway, or Manning or Brady for that matter. As I've said previously, he has plenty of flaws. I just think there are some Jet fans on this board who LOL and :rofl: at other QBs and overrate Chad. The funny part is when you navigate to the Jet section of theganggreen and see plenty of posters saying they can't wait until Clemens takes over for the guy. How great can he be when a lot of Jet fans seem to be in love with the backup?
the reason jet fans dont think highly of culpepper is he went from top to bottom. he hasnt been shit since randy moss went to oakland. culpepper is about a year late getting there. also, he played for the phins last yr and looked like trash, you wont find a Jet fan giving props to a phin player we beat. let alone one who didnt look good. Pennington on the other hand, alot of Jet fans have some sappy nostalgia for him cause of his wonderseason when he drew Montana comparrisons and then became a deer in headlights in the playoffs in oakland. plus when the guys on, he literally picks d's apart. but those games have come less frequently as time goes on. and any real knowledgable football fan can tell its just about time to move on. me myself, i say let him start but if his play is remniscient of last year then im ready for the Clemens era. trust me, theres plenty of pennington critics. people are just giving him a bye because he managed a full season last yr.
Wrong. What, you think you're getting the 2004 version of Culpepper? Newflash: You're not. He hasn't played well since the 2004 season. He's done. Every team in the NFL knows this but the Raiders. We'll see what you think of Culpepper in October.
talk about diverting from the topic....a tactic used to shy away from embarrassment.... this thread should be used to talk about how stupid the Raiders are for letting go of Moses, which was laughable to say the least...
