I agree with you there. I see no reason to hold him out on those merits. I think that the NFL may see Vick as a marketing nightmare and choose to keep him away though. Just wild speculation on my part.
If Al Davis is alive in 3-4 years, I predict the Raiders sign Vick upon reinstatement as their starting QB.
so, you are saying that if you are punished by the law the NFL shouldn't hand out any sort of punishment of its own. if that is the case, nobody should get suspended for off-field incidents. either the law will punish them, and thus the NFL shouldn't, or nothing will come legally of the off-field incidents, in which the NFL has no reason to punish. that is essentially what you are saying?
As screwed up this shit was ecspecially with him brutally killing these dogs....Dog fighting is a big thing in the inner city, who knows man Curtis Martin could have been involved in that shit in his past. I just felt like saying that....Dont Ask
I see Goodell setting an example with Vick. I just don't see the man coming back to the NFL after spending time with the commish and lying to his face. This guy seems particularly vindictive.
I believe Vick is getting hit with Gambling charges as well and in the NFL, any type of gambling is a no-no. I think thats the charge that the NFL will use to keep him away.
I believe he was just saying that he shouldn't be banned from the NFL for it, not that they shouldn't punish him at all. But I mean what did Jamal Lewis get 2 games after going to jail on drug charges?
I have to say it again…how many of you think that if you were involved in illegal activity outside your JOB that caused your employer to be written about in every paper in the United States, and subsequently were convicted or plead guilty to a FELONY would expect that your employer would hold a position for you while you were in the pokey and then welcome you back once all of your legal issues were resolved? How many of you would even have the balls to make such an idiotic request or assumption. I’m pretty sure that most of us wouldn’t even need to be convicted before we were fired; further – nearly all of us need to pass a criminal background check to get a job / new job. I don’t know why Vick should be treated any differently because he can run fast and throw a ball seven feet over a receivers head.
I'm not saying he should be banned either, just that his actions warrant an equally lengthy suspension after he serves his time. and perhaps the lax attitude of the NFL in regards to criminals such as Jamal Lewis or even Ray Lewis and others has encouraged the continual anti-social behavior of many of the leagues players, so the only way to curb that is to increase the severity of the punishment in hopes that the potential loss of millions of dollars and maybe a career will keep players on the straight and narrow, thus Ray Lewis' past punishment is pretty much irrelevant because the league is aiming to set an entirely new standard for punishment.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2986382&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines This is annoying.
Go figure - the NAACP doesn?t think Vick should be banned - didn?t see that coming. http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/22/vick/index.html ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- The head of the Atlanta chapter of the NAACP said Wednesday that Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick has made mistakes but that they should not cost him his football career with the NFL. NFL star Michael Vick has accepted an offer to plead guilty to conspiracy charges in a dogfighting case. 1 of 2 Vick is expected to plead guilty Monday to federal conspiracy charges in an illegal dogfighting operation. R.L. White, president of the Atlanta chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said his organization does not condone dogfighting or any other illegal activity, but he told reporters that Vick should be given a chance to redeem himself. "In some instances, I believe Michael Vick has received more negative press than if he would've killed a human being," White said. "The way he is being persecuted, he wouldn't have been persecuted that much had he killed somebody." White said he believes Vick will cut a deal rather than roll the dice on a trial and take a chance on being found guilty, but "whatever he's done wrongly, he needs to pay for it. White also said he didn't understand the uproar over dogfighting, when hunting deer and other animals is perfectly acceptable. Watch NAACP official say don't pile on Vick ? He urged the National Football League, the Atlanta Falcons and Vick's commercial sponsors not to dump the troubled athlete. "We feel that whatever the courts demand as a punishment for what he has done, once he has paid his debt to society, then he should be treated like any other person in the NFL," White said. Falcons owner Arthur Blank and NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell have said they will not make a decision on Vick's future immediately. After Vick's indictment last month, Goodell ordered the quarterback not to report to training camp until the league completed its review of the case. The NFL is considering what, if any, sanctions it should impose on Vick. When Vick appears Monday in federal court in Richmond, Virginia, the details of his plea agreement will be made public. The judge in the case will have the final say over the plea agreement. The deal, if accepted by the judge, means the 27-year-old football star will avoid more serious charges that would have been considered by a grand jury that convened this week. Sources close to the case have said federal prosecutors offered to recommend an 18- to 36-month prison sentence for the suspended star quarterback for his alleged role in the dogfighting operation. Vick's attorneys were trying to reduce that to less than a year. Vick's three co-defendants in the dogfighting case already accepted agreements to plead guilty in exchange for reduced sentences. Court documents released last week showed that two of Vick's alleged partners said he helped kill dogs that didn't fight well and that the three men "executed approximately eight dogs" in ways that included hanging and drowning. The dogs were killed because they fared poorly in "testing" sessions in April at Vick's property in Virginia, where the dog fighting venture was based, according to documents released following guilty pleas from two co-defendants -- Purnell Peace, 35, of Virginia Beach, and Quanis Phillips, 28, of Atlanta. See what Vick's former co-defendants admitted ? Peace and Phillips pleaded guilty Friday. A third man, Tony Taylor, 34, of Hampton, Virginia, pleaded guilty July 30. In the court documents, Peace and Phillips said that the money behind the Bad Newz Kennels dogfighting operation came "almost exclusively" from Vick, and they told prosecutors that other accusations in the 18-page indictment are true
^ I think it’s more like he is being treated unfairly because of his race…I like how he carefully picks his words around the plea (paraphrasing) – he is taking a plea because he can’t trust the legal system to treat him fairly. No douche nozel – he is taking a plea because he is absolutely 100% guilty and I’ll bet there is a lot more that hasn’t come out that he REALLY doesn’t want to…
I have a question for you all. Now I don't condone anything Vick may or may not have done or whatever. I also understand that the state can't afford to take care of every dog, but, what is the point of busting someone for fighting dogs if you are just going to kill them all anyways? Does anyone else find this counterintuitive? I mean at least under Vick's watch they could fight for their survival but now they are saying that all the dogs will be euthanized (if I read it correctly). So they, in essence, took the dogs away from an inhumane atmosphere and are promptly killing them. Granted they tried to find homes for them but still. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2986955
I?m completely in favor of euthanizing pit bulls; the problem with fighting them is it gives them a chance for survival ? which is an issue.
well the reasoning behind euthanizing the dogs is that they are a liability for violence. They've been trained to maim, scratch, bite, claw and be agressive in every way. Once they've been trained to be that way there really is no going back. Its sad but once they are in that enviroment of abuse and cruelty for a number of years there is no way to train them out of their habits. I don't know what they do with police dogs. The only difference is that the police canines are trained to attack on command and stop on command. The pit bulls are just to far gone to be safe around a family children or other dogs. It's really sad but it is dangerous.
You are right they are a liability. It just seems so counterintuitive that it baffles me to try to figure out where the lesson is in this.
