I don't see us going to a SB in 2007 with Chad or Clemens. I would love to see a great young QB develop and take us to one rather than watch the struggle we will go through to maybe be in the wild card hunt at week 17. A legitimate 2007 SB run hinges on a 30 + year old QB getting back arm strength he had when he was in his 20's prior to two shoulder injuries, plus 2 guys we don't even know are on the roster stepping in as quality starters on the OL.
Who lost McKenzie who was an average RT, other than that we had 4/5s of the Ol that had the league's leading rusher return. buf lost 2 of their first 3 by 3 points each. Don't let the record fool you. You also said you thought we could be a playoff team last year. A year ago at this time we had a QB who we didn't know would ever play again, Curtis wasn't going to play, 2 rooks and 3 new starters on the OL, 1st time HC and coordinatos, new schemes. I don't care what the sched was like if we weren't a good team we wouldn't have won 10. Who said it maks us a playoff team? It has little bearing on this season, the point has been we didn't win 10 games b/c of the sched alone. Sure it helped but you still have to go out and beat teams you are supposed to. Miami and Buf couldn't do it while we did. It's as relevant as the teams we beat w/o winning records, we played similar scheds as most of the playoff teams. We can't beat teams w/ winning records? Why is that? he was not a major disappointment w/ us overall. in '05 he struggled but we had a 4th string QB play most of the year while in '04 he was Chad's go to guy in big spots. I have complete confidnece we'd be amost as good w/ Justin starting. he is a full time WR but he's still adjusting tot he new position, I didn't say he'd be able to step in and start but he gives us depth where if we need him in a pinch he can do the job. If he's forced to start I wouldn't have as much confidence. We aren't the '81 Jets rushing the passer but we are impoved w/ our FA signings. NE was 5th in passing O and in the 2 reg season games Brady was 40-66, 475, 2 Tds, 2 INts w/ an80 rating where forthe season he had an 87 rating. Indy was 2nd in the NFL in pass , mannng had 217 yds on 30 attempts, much lower than his season verage and he had just 1 TD when he averaged 2 a game. detroit was 7th in pass O and e held them down unil the game was in hand and det scred some meaningless TDs late but we still had 2 INTs and held them to 269 yds on 36 atts. GB was 8th in the NFL last year in pass O and we had 2 INts, Favre had a 52 rating an that game was over at the half and thy tacked on some meaningless #s in the 2nd half. We had a good pass D a year ago, we addressed CB in the draft. At worst we ave better depth this year and at best revis is ready to play rigt away and makes us better. pouha showed he could play 2 years ago as a rookie, he was hurt last year. he's not going to be confused for Joe klecko but he can provide decent depth. Who cares if he is 28? he's still young in terms of time played in the league. No team is in worse sape? at least we have a starter for this year while eams like oak do not. if Chad oes dow wre ntuble,if Brady gores down NE is in trouble,if manning goes down in, etc... We drafted Clemens high a year ago, IF he's ready we can still wi games but that's a big if. No really good teams are thriving w/o their starter. Dolphin fans, people that watched him every game. last year we had about 5 different FBs and stilmanaged to win 10 games. Isn't that mazing now the position is solidified so i think we'll be ok. as long as e are healthy we will win aound 10 games, it may be 9 it may be 1 but we'll be in the ballark. if we lose Chad again then we aren't in that ballpark most likely but let's see what happens. I am not allowed to expect anythng? guess it would have ben unfair to expect anything from cotchery last year as he hadn't done much his first 2 years? Pouhha showed some flashes 2 years ago, he's bigger than dewayne ad we o need some size in the middle. No Ol ha depth across the board, good depth is having guys that can play multiple positions in the event of an injury and RIGHT NOW we have that but if kendall is gone our depth takes a big hit b/c one of those bakup now has to start but if pete stays our OL depth is fine. Stop looking at names nd judge them on what they did last year, they played excellent football last year. Again, judgethem on wht they did a year ago. Dwight stunk as a return man but was doig a good job as a WR before he got hurt. Ye I ama homer b/c I am saying we have good depth and we can win 10 games or so. It's crazy to think a team that has won 9-10 games 4 of 6 years including last year and a team that has clearly upgraded talent and is in year 2 of a new regime cold possibly win 10 games this year. I am the ultimate homer:lol: So you are saying our pass D wasn't good last year? and you are calling other posters posts dumb?
I think you underrate the Jets talent, the Giants haven't even won a playoff game since 2000 in a wek NFC they have a mediocre QB, tey lot their best offensive player, Strahan is getting old. The Giants have an edge at TE and Dl and that's aout it. Miami and us are about equl at RB(though Jones has been better than brown the last 2 years), we have an edge at QB, WRs, OL, Secondary, STs. Our talent is alot better than you give us credit for, a big reason we won last year was b/c our talent was healthy unlike '05. Alot of those same players from '04were on the '06 team except they were healthy last year. and if you were talking Wash they have the edge at RB and that's about it on O and on D they may have a better DL. We have more talent than the of those teams. it doesn't mean we'll be better and eat them but we have more talent.
Quote: Originally Posted by Raiderjoe Does that make jets a playoff team this year, because they were able to beat up cup cakes last year, while Dolphins and bills couldn't. Don't understand your logic. (that should have been four wins if those teams(dolphins, bills) weren't any good) Who said it maks us a playoff team? It has little bearing on this season, the point has been we didn't win 10 games b/c of the sched alone. Sure it helped but you still have to go out and beat teams you are supposed to. Miami and Buf couldn't do it while we did. 1. Your schedule was not sole reason, but was a large reason Jets won 10 games. Again look at your your record against teams with a winning record. (better than .500) Not good. Sure you still have to go out and beat the bad teams, but the problem is ,your not playing as many bad teams this year. Also some teams duer to injury aren't going to be as bad this year- Steelers who have always given Jets trouble. Quote: Originally Posted by Raiderjoe It is relevant how many teams Jets beat with a winning record last year. Why? It's as relevant as the teams we beat w/o winning records, we played similar scheds as most of the playoff teams. 2.Your missing up the point. Sure you were able to beat the cupcakes last year, and didn't fare as well against good teams. Problem is your not playing as many cupcakes this year. schedule alot harder. When your trying to predict the outcome of games, you have to take that in to consideration. Quote: Originally Posted by Raiderjoe This year your playing teams with winning record, compare to last year, and you can't beat them, than you not making the playoffs. What the bills and Dolphins do against harder schedule has no bearing. (they just might not be good teams) We can't beat teams w/ winning records? Why is that? 3. I don't know the reason why you can't, but I can guess, maybe your talent not playoff caliber yet.(exposed against good teams) You played only three teams with record over .500 NE , Colts, and Chicago. Jets were 1- 3 against those teams. Small sample but also shows how soft schedule was. Quote: Originally Posted by Raiderjoe Couple points.Yes you don't expect backups to be as good as the starters ,but you don't expect the drop off to not be that far. MCcarreins was a good starter with Titans, but was a major dissapointment starter as a Jet. There is a reason there been talk he might be a cap casualty at some point. He just not a good fit with Pennington. So don't insult anyone intelligence with Mccarreins. he was not a major disappointment w/ us overall. in '05 he struggled but we had a 4th string QB play most of the year while in '04 he was Chad's go to guy in big spots. I have complete confidnece we'd be amost as good w/ Justin starting. 4. Comeon If Mccarreins hasn't been a dissapointment to Jets, than why the talk all offseason, that he could have been a Cap Casualty.(he hasn;t lived up to contract Jets are paying him. You can't be more delusional than me. can you Quote: Originally Posted by Raiderjoe Brad smith right now is a full time WR? No he a gimmick learning how to play the position. he is a full time WR but he's still adjusting tot he new position, I didn't say he'd be able to step in and start but he gives us depth where if we need him in a pinch he can do the job. If he's forced to start I wouldn't have as much confidence. 5. Brad smith is listed as fulltime Wr (roster) but im talking about his skill set as a NFL WR right now. He is not a starting caliber WR(very limited pass patterns) Still in developmental stages. This isn't about Brad Smith future, but right now. Quote: Originally Posted by Raiderjoe You can now rush the passer this year ? HOw ? Again Jets don't move up way in draft, if they are comfortable at what they have at CB. They addressed a serious need - Revis(who probably don't see him come along till at least halfway this year, or 2008) Also again it matters that Jets played some ofthe worst scoring offenes and possible big reason why that average at best secondary , didn't look that bad .(weithout that pass rush) That won't be the case this year. We aren't the '81 Jets rushing the passer but we are impoved w/ our FA signings. NE was 5th in passing O and in the 2 reg season games Brady was 40-66, 475, 2 Tds, 2 INts w/ an80 rating where forthe season he had an 87 rating. Indy was 2nd in the NFL in pass , mannng had 217 yds on 30 attempts, much lower than his season verage and he had just 1 TD when he averaged 2 a game. detroit was 7th in pass O and e held them down unil the game was in hand and det scred some meaningless TDs late but we still had 2 INTs and held them to 269 yds on 36 atts. GB was 8th in the NFL last year in pass O and we had 2 INts, Favre had a 52 rating an that game was over at the half and thy tacked on some meaningless #s in the 2nd half. We had a good pass D a year ago, we addressed CB in the draft. At worst we ave better depth this year and at best revis is ready to play rigt away and makes us better. 6. What freeagent signing you feel upgraded the passrush. D bowens(maybe) The others are garbage/ Kenyon Coleman(no pass rusher) Bowens and B thomas come off the corner at LB and you can bet a team will test one in coverage. (neither are big enough to play De in 3-4) Who cares where those teams ranked in passing offense. alot of those teams just played in weak conference and took advantage of some bad defenses. (why offense numbers look good) Look up points scored and Jets played alot of teams near the bottom.(weren'tn that good) I don't agree you had a good pass defense . Just numbers aren't as bad because you play a ton of teams who were offensively inept. (look up scoring points) revis at best is not coming in and beiong a consistant NFl starter. Not in 2007. Best case by second half of season his coverage is more consistant. Quote: Originally Posted by Raiderjoe First off it dosen't matter what I say. It still notn going to change the fact that your counting on a guy Pouha, as quality depth , who has yet to do anything in a NFl game. Not to mention fact he 28(not going to mature anymore) Do you know how silly that sounds. Thats like Saying Bender going to come in and solidify the oline. Could it happen. Yes but there is a better chance you win the lottery too. pouha showed he could play 2 years ago as a rookie, he was hurt last year. he's not going to be confused for Joe klecko but he can provide decent depth. Who cares if he is 28? he's still young in terms of time played in the league. What did Pouha prove 2 years ago. He had 7 tackles all year. Wow they must have been some devastating hits. Until Pouha shows a little more as a player, he is not someone you can say provides decent depth. Just guess we have a diffrent idea what having depth means. You seem to think a guy has a pulse and he good depth. Quote: Originally Posted by Raiderjoe Listen just no other team is in worst shape at the most critical position. This is how bad. The raiders andrew Walter and Josh MCcown have more NFL starts than your two backups combined. (K Clemens and M Tuiasosopo- what does that say) No team is in worse sape? at least we have a starter for this year while eams like oak do not. if Chad oes dow wre ntuble,if Brady gores down NE is in trouble,if manning goes down in, etc... We drafted Clemens high a year ago, IF he's ready we can still wi games but that's a big if. No really good teams are thriving w/o their starter. Raiders have a potential franchise QB(Russell- unknown but was god enough to gop number 1 overall). Just my opinion but I rather go with the unknown(russell) than go with the proven QB we know has some serious limitations. Again when we are talking depth, were talking backups behind starter. K Clemens and M tuiasosopo with limited starting experience are as bad as it gets. Quote: Originally Posted by Raiderjoe Barnes was decent, in Miami says who. Jets Like Tutts ability. Big deal like they like Anthony Schlegel ability as a LB. Sorry Fb is not your biggest question mark. Thats an assine statement Dolphin fans, people that watched him every game. last year we had about 5 different FBs and stilmanaged to win 10 games. Isn't that mazing now the position is solidified so i think we'll be ok. 7. Now your listening to Miami dolphin fans. They overrate their talent as much as Jet fans do. Barnes started six games for dolphins last year. He must have really shown alot ,that Dolphin Fo didn't bring him back. again wouldn't suprise me IF barnes didn't make Jets 53 man roster. Quote: Originally Posted by Raiderjoe Yes that is my position jets won 10 games(still supprised me with their lack of talent) largely because of a very soft schedule. Lets see if thats the case. Just save your injuries exscuse as the reason you don't even come close to 10 wins. Youtr and 8-8 team next year. as long as e are healthy we will win aound 10 games, it may be 9 it may be 1 but we'll be in the ballark. if we lose Chad again then we aren't in that ballpark most likely but let's see what happens. 9. You can always come back and give reason why you didn't win 10games. I don';t want to hear it. Lets see whose right you 10-6 or be 8-8.
we should change the name of this thread to "i can quote and reply the most in a post"....jesus h christ.... the raiders suck.... the jets are good, not great. its said, its over and done with....
Guys, lets get back to what I opened this thread about. The 07 schedule. Enough about the lowly Raiders. Take that to there board. The Jets will be 12-4 this year. Who's with me?
While I agree that Adalius Thomas was not Baltimore's best defensive player (I feel Ed Reed is completely dominant at his position) he is definitly not "overrated." Hes an exceptional athlete and incredibly versatile, able to play multiple positions at an extremely competitive level. Ray Lewis is overrated on the Ravens, he gets run over quite a bit on running plays, and lives off his name nowadays. Ray Lewis is probably the 5th or 6th best player on that defense now, but he is still the emotional leader of the team. I feel the Jets will be a Wild Card team again this year. They really do scare me now that they have a coach who knows what hes doing, but I relax a little bit knowing that Mangini is only 35 and was a student of Belichick. Belichick is still the master, and has unbelievable amounts more of experience to draw from on game days, as well as a roster full of veteran champion players who have proven they can perform when it matters most many times. If Pennington can actually stay healthy, and Mangini can turn that defense around (he did an amazing job with our secondary, although when he became defensive coordinator I dont feel he did as stellar a job) they will be a scary team, able to hold opponents to low scores as well as put up respectable numbers on offense. I dont feel they're a juggernaut on either side of the ball just yet though, but are definitely a balanced team and any balanced team with great coaching has a chance in this league.
The Jets won their home game against Miami in 1995 17-16. Their three victories were against expansion Jacksonville, Miami, and at Seattle........Thank God the Kotite days are long gone......
Week 1- New England- Win At home, opening day, I think we jump up and surprise the Pats. The Pats will still be getting he new additions to gel and I don't think their new team comes together that fast. (the real reason is as a fan, I couldn't live if with myself if I predicted we drop the home opener against our most hated Rival) Week 2- at Baltimore- Loss I don't think we have the physicality to match up with the Ravens. They dominated a LOT bigger teams than us last year. I think this trend continues as this is what the Ravens always do well. Plus McGahee doesn't help either. Week 3- Miami- Win Tradition plus Miami is in disarray and I don't think they'll be cohesive this year. Week 4- at Buffalo- Loss I think we split with Buffalo. Week 5- at Giants- Win Giants are an overrated mess. They'll talk a big game all week, and forget to bring it on Sunday. Week 6- Philly- Loss I think we don't contain Westbrook and McNabb. Week 7- at Cincinnati- Loss I don't think we limit their offense enough Week 8- Buffalo- Win Home and home split. Week 9- Washington- Win Washington is not a good team. We'll take this game. Week 10- Bye Week 11- Pittsburgh- Win Revenge for Jeff Reed. Week 12- at Dallas- Win I think we take this game as Dallas has a decent DL but their secondary is horrible in Coverage. Chad Play Actions them to death. Week 13- at Miami- Loss Always gotta be at least one heartbreaker a year. Week 14- Cleveland- Win I just don't think Brady Quinn is that good. He won't be a difference maker although their line is now decent. We'll win this game. Week 15- at NE- Loss Pats get their crap together just as the playoffs are coming, just like they always do. Somehow they always pull it out their a## for the playoffs. Week 16- at Tenn-Win. vince doesn't have enough weapons, but he is the future. We win this game. Week 17- KC-Win Herm decides to attempt a 48 yd FG instead of getting closer. He also messes up the TO situation and has no time outs. The clock runs out and they don't get the kick off.:grin: 10-6. If everything goes to plan. If you take my green glasses off 9-7. I dont think we beat the Pats twice. I think as fans we'll be in for a lot of close games this year. No Blowouts. Good schedule, lots of good football.
12-4 is pretty out there man. I honestly feel we have an 8-8 team right now. We're still rebuilding. My biggest concern is Brick's progression. I'd like to see Leon improve upon his impressive first year, Revis and Harris contribute etc. Another playoff berth would be sweet, but I just don't see us as a 12-4 team right now.
I really don't know what you are reading. I did not write about the Jets playing in the Super Bowl this season. I responded to Raiderjoe saying the Raiders have a better QB corps than the Jets. This is now two times in this thread where you have completely misread what I have written.
R U out of ur mind ? 12-4 I can see y u got alot of replys..lol Jets' will be lucky to be ....9 - 7 I can see a 8--8; or a 7-9. If there very lucky......9-7 ? Plus they never beat Baltimore :rofl:
Week 1 - NE - LOSS Week 2 - Baltimore - WIN Week 3- Miami- WIN Week 4- at Buffalo- WIN Week 5- at Giants- WIN Week 6- Philly- LOSS Week 7- at Cincinnati- LOSS Week 8- Buffalo- WIN Week 9- Washington- WIN Week 10- Bye Week 11- Pittsburgh- WIN Week 12- at Dallas- LOSS Week 13- at Miami- WIN Week 14- Cleveland- WIN Week 15- at NE- WIN Week 16- at Tenn - WIN Week 17- KC - WIN 12-4 is pretty realistic imo.
No, rich went 1-3 agaisnt Miami. We beat them in '95 at home in our 3-13 year. We also beat expansion jax at home and at Seattle at the kingdome. In '96 our lone win was at Arizona. We have no idea what teh scheule will be like. Rarely do w get a sched as easy or dificult as we think itwill be in the offseason. Last year it turned out to be an easier one but don't count on it being a killer sched, some expected good teams will be bad and maybe some bad teams will be good. You talk about injuries, remember we were incredibly injured in 2005(uch worse than pitt last year or any team in recent memory) and prior to that we were a 10 win team. As long as we are healthy e will win around 10 regardless of the sched. You also forget last year was a rebuilding year. We had a 1st time HC, 2 1st time coordinators, new schemes, 2 rooks on the OL, an important rookie RB, etc... and instead of jumping up to 6-7 wins we jumped to 10 wins. That's impressive no matter waht the sched, it's not like we were so much better than some of those bad teams we beat but we got the job done and they didn't. This year we have experience in the systems, we have young players w/ experience, a QB who is stronger entering the season, a legit feature back and have upgraded th talent overall. The sched does look tougher and we may be better and win 9 but if healthy we will be in that 9-11 win area. We won at NE, which in a meaningful game hadn't een one by an AFC east team since 2002, and we lost very close games to the 2 SB teams. Obivously we can play w/ anyone and w/ experience maybe we can finish some of those games off? To say we can't beat winning teams b/c we struggled against the BEST tams in the league last year is just silly. he doesn't have a huge contract, sure we gave up a 2nd but that was worth it b/c of what he meant to us in 2004. he was disappointing in '05(any WR would have been w/ that situation) and the 1st half of '06 but he was very important the 2nd half ad he'll be important again. He's a good player, i'd be fine w/ him starting if one of our guys got hurt. You obviously haven't watched the guy play and just reasd the bitching on here about him b/c fans, for some reason, had unrealistic expectations of him. Nope, he's not starting quality but he's just a 2nd yr player in a new positin. It does take some time, he showed flashes last year. i expect he'll take a step forward this year and be more involved in the O. He is a weapon that will help us and let's not forget on the depth chart he is the 5th WR, we have guys ahead of him while he develops. he's a more athletic Ronald Curry and he's ahead of Ron's pace as Curry didn't catch a ball as a rookie. Bowens and Coleman clearly will help the passs rush, let's not forget in his 1st year in the new system Bryan Thomas had 8 1/2 sacks, Hobson is a good blitzing LB, I exect Ellis to have a better year w/ a better DE rotation. Bowens/Coleman will add 10 sacks to this team. Alot of those teams like the Pats and Colts? Again, we didn't have a great passs rush but our D was 13th in pass yards allowed(despite being 26th in attempts) and 6th in YPA. That's pretty good, if you watched us you'd know ratherthan just seeing some of the mediocre names on our roster. He is someone I can say provides decent depth. I expectd this guy to take a step up last year but he got hurt. he gives us some size int he middle. Obviously if we lose Dewayne we'll be worse off but as far as rotating w/ him Pouha will be fine. for the 50th time not every backup has to be a pro bowl caliber player or even a starting calibe player. it's not posible to have depth like that cross the board. That proven QB w/ "serious limitations" does nothng but win. You'll be lucky if Russell comes close to being as good as Chad. Give me a smart QB w/ an average arm over a dumb QB w/ a great arm any day. Chad i severely underrated. All the guy does is win. They are as good as what you will have sarting this year. Again, we had multiple FBs last year. we were signing guys off the street in midseason. Barnes obviosuly showed the jets something to target him. I don't remember him standing out but w/ our FB situation a year ago he cannot be any worse. I realize it's been a log time since you won mroe than 5 games but you do realize there isn't alot of difference btw 8 wins and 10 wins, right? a break here or a break there could mean that 2 game difference. 1 small request, can you please use the quote feature correctly?
Okay,Today, right now, I would rather have Russell and a body than the entire Jets QB corps right now.
Nobody, who dosen't have their very thick Jet green glasses on. IT won't be injuries that prevent Jets from getting anywhere close,to that unrealistic expectaions of 12-4.(although some will try to use that as excuse) It will b e these factors. 1.way harder schedule 2. Opposition has a better idea of Brian Shotteheimer offense- What supprised aot of teams last year,won't this year. (big reason offense excelled despite not having great talent) 3. Haven't done enough this offseason to improve,as alot of other teams seem to have done. 4. Jets defense still isn't very good. Your not playing those same inept offense this year. Revis and Harris might be good players down the road , but they aren't coming in from day one and making that defense better. 5. Lack of pass rush - K Coleman(laughing) and Bowens( more plausible) is not making that big of diffrence. Jets last year used disguised blitzes to compensate for lack of pass rush. Like in playoffs that won't work this year,as team will follow the patriots blueprint. 6 ITs so hard to expect Chad Pennington to convert third downs at that high of a percentage again. That number just a little worse and the offense instead of consitantly moving the chains, is now punting. 7 Not upgrading oline, will take away from upgrade of Thomas Jones. In Conclusion Jets might be on the right path but they are only in second year of the rebuilding process. Last year sucess(with soft schedule) has given alot of jety fans unrealistic expectations for next year. Unfortunately for them, its going to be a very dissapointing year. (stay away from sharp objects)
