Cox was a SB caliber player. One of the very few we have had in the last 38 years. As for the Pat only watch there games hear & there so cannot reply but he does have a positive reputation with the media for whatever that is worth. Since he is a starter I guess Belly thinks he is productive & that is all that counts
Well I don't know how you measure production, but Vilma produced far more tackles his first season in the 3-4 at ILB than Cox ever did for us. He also produced more tackles than Bruschi last season. Now I don't want to hear about how the tackles are all 5 yards down field - because first you have no way of knowing that and second, what do you want him to do, not tackle the guys when they're past the line of scrimmage? I have no man love for JV champ, I just think you get to down on the guy. He's an above average linebacker in this league whether you want to accept it or not.
I love how champ not only hears negative stuff about Jet players that nobody else hears, he also clings to those words as gospel and uses them as the basis for all his negativity. Like the ESPN "report" on Brick being no good or too small or whatever.
Look all I am interested in is us winning a SB & MHO of players is ONLY based on that fact & right NOW no matter if you like it or not NEITHER Brick or JV are players that even going to get us a smell of a SB. Now if you feel otherwise that is just fine but the snideness in your remarks is totally unnecessary
No sorry he is below average MLB in this league & will leave no lasting impression when he retires just like slow Mo & over the hill Marvin. As for Cox when the other side games plans for you you know you have a above quality player. You missed it somebody published his stats in the TGG play by play & that 5 yds is right on the money. Ooops forgot to ask why do we need such a UNPRODUCTIVE player as JV is based on his 06 season?
You didnt answer my question though...and frankly didnt do much to strengthen your case. How can a guy who is "too small" rack up over 100 tackles a year on an NFL defense? Regardless of who he replaced in the pro bowl..surely he has to be a pretty good player if he became a pro bowl alternate in his 2nd year in the pro's. What about winning DROY? I'm sorry, perhaps recognition doesnt always translate into production, but Vilma has had several moments of recognition in his very young career, that doesnt happen for no reason.
Who cares when they are 5 or more yds downfield & who really needs a UNPRODUCTIVE player as JV was in 06? You must have missed or overlooked my reply on DROY award so here it is again He only went to the Pro Bowl because Zach opted not to go. Awards DO NOT always translate into productiveness & right now JV is a VERY UNPRODUCTIVE player no matter how you choose to slice or dice it. For us to win SBs we need PRODUCTIVE players & presently JV is many, many miles from falling into that catagory
If Brick was too small and had this much negativity, he would've never been considered a top 3 prospect in his draft class like he was. There were many teams that had him as the # 1 overall prospect in that draft over both Williams and Bush. What was said by ESPN was that he needed alittle work w/ his technique(most college linemen coming into the nfl DO) and he needed to add soem muscle mass and size to go along w/ his athleticism before he'd be an elite NFL linemen. That maybe true, but it's not some sort of negativity to cling onto as the know all end all of Brick's future as a pro. Frankly, of all the young OT'S in the NFL, he may have the brightest future of all. And very few at ESPN would argue.
Maybe because he was the best of the worst of his class. Did you think of that? Awards as I posted DO NOT translate in productiveness on the field. Look if you paid $100.00 for his jersey or have man love for him fine by me BUT my only want is getting a team of SB caliber players that can win us a SB & sorry so far JV DOES NOT fall into that catagory
How people rate draft choices & what happens when they hit the NFL is nite & day. Right now the SD LT is eating Brick up & spitting him out in little pieces. Let C I remember a RB from Penn State that was rated higher then just about anyone else in his class & where is he today? How about Mirer? Or the head case QB in SD? Cmon you cannot be that silly to accept what some so called genius of draft picks rates a player & you expect him to be a superstar Ooo[s & you to have not replied as why do we need a UNPRODUCTIVE player as JV was 06 on our team? So I guess from your post that you to heard the report. Is that correct? Also I judge for myself once they get on the field & so far Brick has been more in tune with the ESPN report then tingling my toes
Really? Dunta RObinson, Deangelo Hall, DJ Williams, Sean Taylor,Vince Wilfork,Chris Gamble,Igor Olshansky,Bob Sanders,Shaun phillips, Nathan Vasher, and Gibril Wilson were all in that class. Many of which started their rookie year just as Vilma did. Doesn't sound like a poor class to me.
Maybe the reporters did not dig deep enough into his stats, No matter since all that counts is what occurs on the field as I have said over & over again to you that based on last season he is presently TOTALLY UNPRODUCTIVE DROY award oor not. Now please reply as to why we are carrying a UNPRODUCTIVE player like him on our roster. Supposely we have a genius for a coach & I also assume his goal is tgo win a SB so I would speculate sooner or later he to will see JV warts & look to upgrade there
And yet the ESPN quote you are clinging onto for dear life, was a PRE-DRAFT statement. Hypocrisy maybe? The SD LT you're referring to, Marcus Mcneill, went into a much more stable situation for him to perform, does not have the ceiling Brick does, and frankly will not have as long of a career due to a major back condition that was the whole reason he fell to late round 2 to begin w/! If the jets had drafted him, you would be ALL OVER the back condition as a reason to shoot down his long term success. So I dont wanna hear another word about him. As for JV, I have maintained for quite sometime that the main reason for our defensive turn around last year, was b/c of his downfield pass coverage(he maybe the best LB in pass coverage in the NFL) that allowed our CS to be more aggressive w/ blitzes featuring Hobson and BT, and frankly to be more creative. He was learning a completely new system which did hamper his run stopping ability, but improved drastically as the year went on, and was the QB of our D allowing us to run a complex D that confused many offenses including the Patriots. He was HARDLY unproductive. Below his usual standard of excellence? Due to a new system, yes. But these cries of him being a below average player are just in left field.
Ah I just want to insure you have seen this from another poster What was said by ESPN was that he needed alittle work w/ his technique(most college linemen coming into the nfl DO) and he needed to add soem muscle mass and size to go along w/ his athleticism before he'd be an elite NFL linemen. That maybe true, but it's not some sort of negativity to cling onto as the know all end all of Brick's future as a pro. Frankly, of all the young OT'S in the NFL, he may have the brightest future of all. And very few at ESPN would argue.
Yes that report did exist....there was ALOT MORE to it that consisted of ALOT of positive feedback regarding Brick's ability and the jets having the guts to make the pick. But like every other prospect EVER drafted, they did throw out some notions on what he needs to improve on. But in no way is it some ridiculous gospel to base your entire hatred of this franchise on.
Why would you say I have hatred for the NYJs when I have been a season tix holder for some 42 years now? Unless you can prove that allegation I would you appreciate you posting an amendment to thst post. Also kindly please kindly reply to my question that as why based on last years performance we are carrying such a UNPRODUCTIVE player as JV
The fact that you feel the need to shun every positive notion of the team, and OBSESS over every single little detal of negativity that anyone says or does regarding the franchise, has lead me to conclude that you hate the franchise. Also, if your scroll up and read, you will see that I replied to your ridiculous statement of ill-concieved lack of production from of our great young players.
I always thought you were just too plain lazy to post in legible English. However it is just that, you really are not that smart.
i do not know how you can measure a mans productivity based on tackles. jv was also defending on pass routes which does not translate to good stat numbers but calling a manbeast like jv as unproductive is absurd.
