Wrong! As are a bunch of people on this site. You can't just assume you know how it works...that's ignorance. http://www.faqs.org/faqs/dogs-faq/breeds/apbt/part3/ Also, dogs aren't trying to "kill each other" as mentioned numerous times in this thread and others. Any animal's instinct in fighting is to show dominance, once one dog submits, the fight is usually over. I know this from seeing dog fights (not for sport), reading dog books, and having an understanding of biologically based survival instincts. 9 out of 10 times, animal fights do not result in death, in fact it is a necessary activity to establish order in familial animals (same reason rams and rhinos have horns). If these melees were most often to the death, the species would not survive very long, because the loser is often the next one in line as far as viability, and that's just bad for survival of the fittest. I agree whole-heartedly with Vickblows here, it seems to me that anyone who feels that dog/horse racing is completely OK, and dog fighting is the ultimate evil, are really just being discriminatory in one way or another. Think about it: most dog breeders are going to want their prized dog that they put so much into to survive even if it loses a match. DISCLAIMER: I do not condone or support dog fighting for sport in any way, shape, or form. I just hate hypocrisy. I also think punishments should fit the crimes (see: testicle chick vs. dog-fighter jail sentence).
Another interesting tidbit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_fighting Hmmmm...Professional Football Player=Modern Day Samurai? DISCLAIMER: This is not justification, just understanding.
The problem w/ that is the media can spin that anyway they want. The next thing ya know the headlines are "Vilma has no comment on possible past dog fighting endeavors"
What Made me Laugh was How Mad Dog reacted After the Interview. He says it wasn't the right time to push the issue so he didn't ask him to elaborate.... hmy: WHAT!? When do they ever back off of something like this? When they don't believe it's an issue that's when! All of a Sudden he was angry about the statement afterwards when people called in and e-mailed. Now, if he would've pushed the issue we would've been pissed cause it had nothing to do with the JETS but IMO that had absolutely No effect on why he didn't dive deeper into the subject. JM2
Cimini must have heard it & got a transcript from WFAN & published it in todays paper http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...7-06-14_jet_dog_fights_equal_horse_races.html
To question JV’s intelligence shows a lack of; it has been pretty well documented that JV is an intelligent individual. Ignorant people will attack his statements as ignorant; those that understand realize that it was in fact a relatively informed statement. As for him being indifferent to dog fighting – who cares? I really don’t give a crap about dog fighting one way or another either. It’s a personal choice you make; do I care if people want to fight their dogs? Not really; will I ever go to a dog fight? No.
Very interesting, thanks for the info. I still don't agree with dog fighting but at least I understand it a bit more now...
That was the dumbest thing Ive ever heard, you might have been kidding but you made yourself look retarded. For everyone else's sake, please never talk again.
NJJETS: Thanks for some actual information of dog fighting, despite the fact that no one has even acknowledged your post. Sometimes I think people actually PREFER to argue from ignorance than from factual information. It's so much easier...:smile: As to Jonathan Vilma's intelligence, well, thanks Predator for taking the time to supply some of the specifics. Anyone who questions Vilma's intelligence knows very little about Mr. Vilma. This whole thread is a non-issue. Vilma was essentially saying "It's not my place or my job to judge the ethics or legality of this sport or my fellow NFL players". And you know what? That is a pretty smart answer. Shmucks like Cimini want to report it like Vilma is pro dog fighting or something. Shame on him...
you don't really believe the crap you just wrote, do you? a few horse's do die from injuries, but nothing in comparison to dog fighting. as far as vilma's stance on dog fighting, he should have out right condemned it. instead, he tried to weasle out of taking a stand. dog fighting is repulsive and barbaric.
way off in comparison! even if a dog doesn't die, it's suffering from wounds. a horse usually just ends up winded. you can compare this to that forever but, the bottom line is, it takes a sick puppy to bet on animals fighting and tearing each other apart. horse racing doesn't even belong in the same conversation. if you can't take a stand against dog fighting, you are either gutless, or one sic individual. it really is that simple!
The horses used in racing are so inbred that a majority turn out to be bleeders. If they race, they bleed profusely from the nose. In addition the vast majority of horses start a regular racing schedule before they are fully grown. After their short racing career, many spend the rest of their days crippled to some extent. If one of these horses so much as chips a bone, unless they have won a breeders cup or a triple crown race, they will be killed. The only reason people made such a fuss over Barbaro was because of his stud value. Any other horse would have been put down on the spot. With dog racing, if the dog isn't fast enough, it's killed. If it is fast enough, it lives a miserable existance for a year or two, is no longer fast enough, and is killed. It's only been over the past 20 years that this practice has come into light, and now many of these dogs are rescued and adopted. If the rules of dogfighting listed here are accurate, it's not all that different than boxing or MMA, just with dogs instead of humans. Death does not appear to be the intended result, but injuries that can take months to recover from are sustained much of the time. To be clear, I am not a fan of racing or dog fighting, but to call people "sic" for not taking a "stand" when YOU refuse to take a stand on racing only makes you look like a hypocrite.
You can say Vilma chose not to take a stand but if you are looking at it the way I am he not only took a stand against dog fighting but horse racing as well.
Vilma clarifies.... http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2904297 HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. -- Jets linebacker Jonathan Vilma said Thursday his recent comments comparing dogfighting to horse racing were misunderstood. Asked on a local radio show his thoughts on the investigation of Falcons quarterback Michael Vick's possible involvement in dogfighting, Vilma said: "Dogfighting is much more extreme, but you can equate it to horse racing. ... Everyone has heard about dogfighting. Whether you choose to participate or not, that's your decision. I'm not here to condone or accept it. It's been there for a while..." Speaking at the team's minicamp Thursday, Vilma insisted "my comments that were misinterpreted were that I am not for or against dogfighting or Michael Vick. It's an unfortunate situation for Michael Vick whether he is involved or not. "I was definitely not comparing the two, dogfighting to horse racing. You'll have activists who are against both. They say in horse racing, you put a lot of stress on the animals," Vilma added. "I'm indifferent and it's a matter of wanting to stay away from the whole Michael Vick situation, whether he is involved or not. I'm not saying anything about dogfighting or anyone who might be involved in it." Vilma, heading into his fourth pro season, said he recognizes the visibility athletes have and how they often are held to different standards than the general population. "Whether we like it or not, we are high-profile athletes," the 2004 NFL defensive rookie of the year said. "We're role models. Kids come up to me all the time to talk and it makes me remember when I was a kid and I got to meet Jerry Rice and how much that meant to me. And how we've got to set a good example." Jets coach Eric Mangini said he was aware of Vilma's comments and that he would talk with the player about them. "We completely don't condone cruelty to animals on any level," Mangini said. "At some point, we probably will talk to him about that." Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press
What Vilma was really doing was defending Michael Vick and other NFL players who are apparently involved in this activity by trying to make it seem like it's not a big deal even though it is a big deal and a felony. If Vilma wants to be seen as a positive figure in the NFL, the kind of role model athlete that the NFL desperately needs to step up, he is going to have to stop defending or mitigating the impact of a sub culture that brings out the worst in us as human beings. It isn’t enough just to walk the walk, sometimes you have to call out your peers and be willing to take the heat to call it as it is. This is not about comparing horse racing to dog fighting this is about not having the courage to call it what it is. Vilma's a young guy and I think pretty sharp, I have a feeling he knows he didn't step up to the plate and probably wishes he had. I hope so.
:lol: Yeah except humans who participate in boxing or MMA do so of their own accord while these dogs have ZERO choice. Anyone who thinks dog fighting is about pride or love of an animal, truly have never researched or seen first hand the kind of dogs that come out of these situations. I have worked at a dog shelter (community service hours) and saw first hand some of these Pitbulls coming in. They are scarred from head to toe, with little chance of ever being socialized into a family dog. Much like feral animals, these dogs are simply put down and not allowed to lead the lives of the common household dog, you can't simply teach them not to be aggressive anymore and their lives are ruined. Not to mention the conditions these dogs live in, stables would seem like a paradise to them. Most are left out in undersized cages sometimes in the rain. They are not seen as loving pets, but rather weapons to be used in a fight. Most of the time the dogs have many gashes are salved with cheap cleaners that burn like alcohol but anyone who thinks that these dogs gets months to recuperate from their wounds must have never seen one of these dogs up close. I won't even get into the whispers, because they are too horrid to speak of. I will put it to you this way, dog fighting trainers have several ways to train their dogs, some even pitting their dogs against older, weaker dogs from the pound just for practice. I suggest most on here research long and hard and see if you can come up with an underground fighting video and see the environment for yourselves, horse racing it is not.....
