Someone just informed me that Jonathan Vilma was just on Mike and the Mad Dog and when asked about Michael Vick and his alleged dogfighting circle, Vilma said dogfighting isn't that bad and called it similar to Horse Racing. Now, this is just what someone told me, and I wanted to see if anyone else heard this interview.
Yes, you can listen to the interview on wfan.com. He basically had no big opinion on dog fighting. He didn't say that if horse racing is ok, dog racing should be too. He just basically said some people feel horse racing is animal abuse, some feel dog racing is. It was an ignorant comment, but not a big deal imo. He pretty much admitted to being ignorant towards dog fighting. He wasn't really justifying dog fighting though.
I listened to the whole interview too and you could tell that Vilma didn't really want to take a stance against dog fighting or the NFL players. Although he didn't say that he supported their actions he clearly didn't want to become an enemy among his own. Like NYJets38 said above, all he said was that people have different opinions on dogfighting the same way they have them on horse racing. I just don't think he wanted to take a strong stance against the players.
Alright well that seems like it isn't a huge deal, didnt want to get into the whole fiasco, makes sense.
is there a level of education about dog fighting someone could have to justify it? you either think dogs fighting to the death is okay or it isn't, it has nothing to do with how much you know about it.
OR, you could stay out of that arguement and claim that both are similar in the way that there is some sort of animal abuse. .
All I'm saying is he wasn't trying to say dogfighting is ok because it's the same as horse racing. He didn't try to justify it, he pretty much just avoided the question.
Well the only thing I could add is that the horses don't try and kill each other before the finish line. Big difference. But I could give a darn about horse racing.
Bingo ? at the end of the day - horse racing probably results as many horse fatalities as dog fighting dog fatalities. Don?t really see why people are having such a hard time understanding what he was saying?unless of coarse you thing Barbaro was the first horse to die in the line of dudy.
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there ya go. in horse racing, it just so happens that horses die from time to time. in dog fighting, a dog is going to die every match.
I don't agree with any of these so called sports VB, I guess I am just looking at the lesser of the two evils. In any case, it is just another thing for gamblers to blow more money on. That's really all it comes down to for these so called "sports", gambling. I'll stick with football and MX.
No – it just so happens that horse racing is a socially accepted yuppie activity where cock or dog fighting are ghetto pass times. The end result is nearly the same on the participants. BTW - "Time to Time"...Around 800 racehorses die each year from fatal injuries suffered on US racetracks. An additional number of approximately 3,566 sustain injuries so bad that they cannot finish their races. what do you think happens to the 3566 that dont finish a race?
Im sure noone wants to be the player that sells another player out. Im sure the NFLPA told all the players to stay neutral when asked about it to try and save one ok their players reputation. Im sure that's all it is.
Ok, but how many horses race each year and how many dogs fight each year? The percentages of dogs that are dieing is going to be much higher than horses dieing from racing. You're also missing the point that people dont race horses so that they die, however people do make dogs fight so they die.
To me that is just the way of the wild... If nobody owned the dogs and as many of us have seen before dogs running wild and when they meet up with one another on the streets there is bound to be a fight between them.. Dogs are animals who role in packs if they can and when there is a pack there more then for sure is an alpha and omega dog with out a doubt... same with lions same with monkeys gorillas etc... Animals want to fight naturely for Dominance Im the leader and the rest of you follow... So overall is fighting dog as a sport bad??? Maybe depends on who you are!!! Is Johnathen Vilma Ignorant because he has an opinion on the matter??? I dont think so... Would you rather have somebody tell you nothing but lies or tell you the truth even if it may not be what you want to hear...
You seem to base your assumption on the idea that one out of every two dogs that engage in a fight die which is simply not the case. You are buying into the propaganda of those opposed to dog fighting but not embracing that of those opposed to horst racing. The difference between dog fighting and horse racing is more or less the same as the differences between a cult and a religion. Social acceptability.
That may be, and maybe im being ignorant towards the whole situation. But i dont own horses, however i do own two dogs, which will make my opinion biased no matter what.
