Alio's Kick Ass Program

Discussion in 'BS Forum' started by AlioTheFool, Jun 8, 2007.

  1. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

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    I like that! I may just include those in my routine! I hated suicides.

    I like the third one. That looks like a really good workout. I was actually thinking the other day at my son's baseball game that it would be fun to run the bases. Nail it for 90 feet. Stop. Nail it for another 90 feet. Stop. Over and over 3 or 4 times. That should get the heart racing nice.
     
  2. Trend

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    Here's a link to a list of HFCS foods (I'd double check though, cause I could swear that some of the things on the list have HFCS)

    HFCS Free List
     
  3. vinsjets

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    Alio, great write up with this routine, its pretty intriguing. I'll make some of my own changes, and add in some jogging/sprints and hopefully get started once my exams are done.
     
  4. AlioTheFool

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    Thanks for posting that! I'll have to have a look later on.

    Awesome! Keep us updated on what you do and how you progress!

    And as with everyone else, you're very welcome! Honestly, so far, it's been my pleasure to have done this. :grin:
     
  5. Mantana Soss

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    I'm going to make a few notes about HFCS because everyone is suddenly making it out to be the spawn of satan. I took a couple food science courses at Rutgers because this kind of thing interests me.

    I by no means mean to say HFCS good for you *BUT*

    The reason it is so widely used is because it is readily accessible (we grow lots of corn) and thus - cheap.

    It is a combination of two simple sugars: fructose and glucose.

    Corn syrup itself is nearly 100% glucose. Enzymes are added to convert a percentage of the glucose into fructose. This is done simply because fructose is sweeter.

    Sugar is sugar is sugar. Fructose the same sugar that is in fruits, honey, and most root vegetables. 'HFCS' is just used much more concentrated amounts than you'll find in natural foods - which is what leads to the greater insulin production, high glycemic index, etc.

    Table sugar as another is primarily sucrose (a different simple sugar that is made up of a glucose bonded with a fructose). That leads to the small difference in taste. As one might readily imply, the sweetness level is somewhere between glucose and fructose.

    My point is that most anything is fine in moderation - HFCS is more or less natural - but in abundance because it's just so damn cheap.
     
  6. AlioTheFool

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    Okay Soss, how about this stuff:

    http://www.mcvitamins.com/cornsyrup.htm

    http://www.nbc5.com/health/13331929/detail.html

    Now of course, as with any findings, there will be scientists on the other end of the spectrum who doubt the real effect of this crap.

    The question is, do people who are trying to get their bodies in shape, who want to live healthier, really want to continue to consume this stuff, when there is potential for negative effects.

    You want fructose, eat an apple.
     
  7. AlioTheFool

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    BTW:

    www.hfcsfacts.com/

    And that's from a site that is pro-HFCS.

    I just don't understand how anything created in a lab can be termed "natural."
     
  8. Mantana Soss

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    The item you bolded is 100% true. Corn Syrup on its own is 100% glucose, not HF Corn Syrup.

    Because nothing artificial is added. a natural enzyme is added to a natural product (corn --> cornstarch --> corn syrup) to create something different.

    There are no lab chemicals or anything of that sort. But who cares what the FDA thinks - HFCS is evil! It's killing us!
     
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  9. AlioTheFool

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    My apologies. I misread what you wrote.

    Personally, I don't give two shits what the FDA thinks. Are you trying to say that they only give healthy products their seal of approval?

    I didn't say HFCS was made with chemicals. I said it was made in a lab, which is true. Me personally, I don't want crap that was produced through chemistry, rather than nature, swimming in my colon.

    There is no concrete evidence to the point or the contrary that HFCS is bad for you. However, it IS more sugar than you need, and considering it's effect on hunger, that's more than enough for people looking to get in shape to not consume it.

    It's processed crap, which provides no nutritional benefit, but could be the source of nutritional problems.
     
  10. Mantana Soss

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    The negative aura around 'processed' and 'lab created' is very much health superstition.

    Everything has a chemical makeup, and food science exists to improve our diets either in health terms or economic terms, not weaken it.

    The point of all this is: No sugar is good for you, but HFCS is no worse than the others. All of it should be used in moderation.
     
  11. gustoonarmy

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    This is a little off topic , and its also one of those stories where , " you should have been there" to appreciate it , but....

    I took my wife to weight watchers tonight (she has some love handles that I fitted) and I was waiting for her in the lobby just outside the door. A lady (largish) asks if I'm queueing ,(the cheeky cow!) and I say no. She responds with , Oh sorry yes you have no need. (lying)I tell her that she should have seen me 6 months ago , I was 20 stone and thanks to weight watchers I lost it. Her jaw drops open and she believes every word , shes now off telling all her friends and pointing at me.......ME? run run run run run run run.....shit I forgot my wife!!!! Sod it!!! run run run run run
     
  12. AlioTheFool

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    Well see, this is the point.

    It's everywhere. It's "hidden" in all sorts of food products. People don't read labels, and that is the basis of the point of the conversation.

    Of course no one particular thing (except trans fat,) is critical to your health, in and of itself. However, when something like HFCS is present in so many food products, it becomes dangerous.

    Let's be honest, how many "average Joes" know what high fructose corn syrup is? Further, how many realize how many products contain it? So people intake massive amounts of sugar from this crap, then go and eat doughnuts, drink coffee, whatever, and wonder why the pounds are staying on, even when they work out.

    It's hard to use a product like this in moderation when it is so prevalent in so many products. Especially when most people aren't even aware of what it actually is. (In all honesty, I had no idea what it was when I got started, and I already knew what fructose is.)
     
  13. King Koopa

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    Alio.....Pasta is def not good for you on a diet......It's not terrible, but shouldn't really be recommended......Anything made from flour/white bread products are pretty much a no-no when trying to lose weight.... Whole Wheat pasta however is fine in moderation when trying to lose fat.......My mom is 100% Italian and our family made the switch to Whole Wheat pastas and I still love her Italian food just as much.

    High Fructose Corn Syrup is garbage, but it isn't really worse IMO than normal sugar with regards to losing fat......Products high in either sugar or HFCS are probably a no-no although I will admit that most products with the HFCS as opposed to sugar are more likely to be complete junk food.

    Another thing......it is very important to eat protein within an hour after a lifting workout.....I personally blend up a creation using whey protein powder.....That stuff is great IMO
     
  14. AnyGivenSunday

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    I don't know if this has been mentioned or not, but here is something I like to do: when you're doing lunges, hold the weights above your head, bending your elbows at a 90 degree angle. It doesn't have to be a real heavy weight, but you'll notice as you go along that you're gonna start feeling an intense burn in your shoulders.
     
  15. AlioTheFool

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    I'm not suggesting anyone go out and gulp down the pasta. I stayed away from it for the first couple months. I couldn't stay away though, so my wife started buying the Barilla whole wheat stuff. It was good for a couple months, but now my weight is under control, so I don't care about it anymore. I'm burning off everything I eat anyway, so it doesn't matter.

    The whey protein is one thing I've seen a lot of good things about. Adding it to a smoothie post-workout seems to be a big suggestion.

    What you said about HFCS is the point I'm trying to make. I'll admit, I went overboard at the top of the thread, but I was overly dramatic to drive home the point. I just want guys to start making smarter choices when choosing what to consume, and the key to that is education.
     
  16. AlioTheFool

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    Nope, it hasn't been mentioned, but that's a cool idea. Maybe I'll give that a shot tomorrow. Thanks!
     
  17. King Koopa

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    Yea the whey stuff is high quality protein mostly and you can add fruits, milk, peanut butter, whatever you want to make some pretty good tasting shakes that are very good for you......Anyone who knows alot about lifting has told me that you should eat protein after your workout, I don't know exactly why, but my guess would be that it replenishes your muscles to make them recover better and more effectively.
     
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    Sorry about the lack of updates but it's a bit soon for posting results Alio :p
     
  19. vinsjets

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    I work at a Chicken place and the majority of our customers are people coming from the 3 big gyms in the area. They all say the same thing, you need to have the protein within an hour to help with the recovery of the muscles. Carb intake within 1-2 hours of exercising is essential to building adequate glycogen stores for continued training. If you wait longer than two hours to eat you risk 50 percent less glycogen amounts being stored in the muscles
     
  20. baamf

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    I agree with some of what you say, but taking a couple of food science courses is not going to give you the entire picture. Funny thing, my wife has her MS in Food Science from Rutgers (Cook College) and is also a ranking executive at one of the biggest food companies in America. She has seen first hand the business and health end of HFCS. In addition, I have read countless books on this subject in the last few months (I believe I added a few links already for some of them). We both believe it is a travesty to consider HCFS "natural" when it is created from hydrolyzed corn starch, but that argument could take days and is controversial so believe what makes you feel good. Also saying that "sugar is sugar is sugar" is also not accurate in my estimation. Our bodies metabolize different sugars differently; for example countless studies have shown that fructose doesn't produce insulin, yet stimulates the production of leptin not a good combination IMO. Not to mention it will spike your triglyceride levels. But again you need to do that research to convince yourself.

    But let's look at another problem with HCFS which you and others have alluded to before, and also the reason I mentioned my wifes business knowledge of the product. HCFS is very sweet and is very cheap. Therefore food companies can use it excessively and not affect their bottom lines. They started making their products sweeter and consumer testing groups liked them so they went into production. Now they are giving the public much higher doses of sugar (a worse sugar IMO) in their diets and they are making more money. Company A does it, company B follows. Do some searches on when Coke and Pepsi made the switch, their bottom lines soared and America got fatter. Now it is cheap to make sweet food, so let's get a bigger market share. Company A is selling a 12 oz soda for $1.00 so company B can now sell a 16 oz soda for a $1.00. Which will the consumer purchase? Do you think their is a correlation between the 24 oz sodas and Big Gulps and such that started hitting the market soon after HFCS? I do. The candy bars I ate as a kid are much bigger now, not to mention that portion sizes of countless other sweets. The stuff is so cheap that now companies use it in all types of things you would never think of just to sweeten it up. America gets fatter.

    In my opinion you can also be very mislead if you believe the FDA and government in general is the place to get accurate information on food and nutrition. Wasn't long ago that they told us low fat, high carb diets were the way to go. So what did the food companies do? They removed the fats from their products and loaded them with HFCS to make them taste good. America brought these low fat products in record numbers and got fatter as a result. There are millions of studies now that show that diet (the original USDA food pyramid for instance) is not good for your health, yet has it changed significantly? No. It has changed but each time advocacy groups try to get it to follow the current scientific beliefs they get a slightly changed, modified version still providing bad advice. Why is this? The same reason that HCFS is such a controversial subject. It is cheap and it is made by a multi-billion dollar enterprise who spend millions on lobbyists and who can buy politicians at will. I actually have read reports that Bill Clinton used to take calls directly from some corn growers telling him of actions that were taking place which would affect their business. Government is not always looking out for your best interest.

    I could go on and on, as obviously this is a subject that bothers me. So maybe you don't think HFCS is the "spawn of satan", but in my opinion the affects it has had and continues to have on America, in addition to the snail pace of change in front of overwhelming evidence, can indeed be considered somewhat evil, or from satan....
     

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