Not only did you refute my argument using nothing but empty opinions, but you also showed that you have no clue what it's like to be 20-something, have millions of people counting on you, and getting paid like royalty. Being an NFL player is a high stress position. Stress needs outlets. Simple pshchology homie.
Just what this thread needed... a third meathead trying to force their twisted logic to defend Mike Vick. Apparently the whole Vick clan is out on the Internet supporting Mike today. :up:
That's the problem with dog fighting. It's not the animals fighting that's unnatural. It's the use of that natural act as entertainment to satisfy some sick base need for blood people can try to justify as 'sport'. I have no problem with the UFC because it is consenting adults risking their own necks for sport. I have a problem with people conditioning and training a less intelligent animal to attack and be attacked in mortal combat with another animal with money at stake. The 'sport' is a natural act that has been perverted by the domineering control of the human psyche, in most cases a twisted and irrational psyche. Simple psychology, homey. Anybody that needs a release like that deserves to spend an hour fighting a bear in a cage.
Don't act like the rest of the players are boy scouts. Negative media aside, I'd bet the farm that most teams would rather have their players participate in dog fighting, than say, crashing their motorcycles without wearing a helmet. And don't pretend for a second that owners give a shit about anything but da money. If they did, there'd be a lot less 'roids in the league. And perhaps you missed the part where my real point was that there are a lot worse trespasses perpetrated by players than dog fighting (eg. Lewis and lewis). Disclaimer: This does not mean I support dog fighting, just that it needs to be placed in context with other, far worse, detrimental activities.
I suppose you know all about it. If psychology were so simple, why can't you spell it? You bring nothing to this thread but irrational opinions and twisted logic.
You're not understanding how bad dog fighting is. Dog fighting is raising perfectly good dogs to kill each other. The dogs can't be reintroduced into society. It's animal cruelty at it's worst. Yes, football is a high stress job, and a lot of players are not the best people, but it's killing perfectly innocent dogs for the entertainment of others. I do agree it is more of a problem with the culture, as they see nothing wrong with what they're doing, than anything else, but dog fighting I consider worse than slapping your wife. And I am not a dog person.
Well it's a good thing you added the disclaimer, because just by reading all of your posts in this thread I would have assumed that you do support dog fighting. This part right here made me LOL: Why do you need to put it in context with far worse, detrimental things? Because you have an indefensible position and the subject of dog fighting can't stand on it's own legs without comparisons of how it's 'not as bad as murder'. Good job, you must have been captain of the debate team. Ray Lewis' murder charges and Jamal Lewis' drug charges are both likewise indefensible, but also not of consequence to this argument, and you are using them to distract from the argument at hand.
abyzmul, you silly man. don't you know that football players need to commit crimes to get a release from their highly stressful jobs? (yep, playing sports for large amounts of money is highly stressful) So next time a player is arrested for drug possession or driving drunk, just keep it in perspective. So what if he had drugs? That's his choice. So what if he had a few beers? It's his right to toss back a few to relieve some stress. And he didn't actually hurt anyone, did he? Just be thankful the player didn't murder and rape large amounts of people. Because you see, that's what players do if you don't let them get their jollies betting money on animals that are forced to fight one another.
none of what you said was supported, either. I'm just trying to fit in here. Anyway, I hope they lock Mr. Mexico up. Let's see if he can escape THAT pocket.
Dog fighting is a felony offense in every state except Idaho and Wyoming. Regardless of whether you think it's not that bad of an offense or not, 48 state governments says it on a level similar to murder, arson, treason and espionage. In fact, in most states getting charged for dog fighting is worse than a third offense for drinking and driving. If you feel it's not that bad a crime, then good luck convincing the New Jersey government otherwise.
That's funny! I really don't see him getting more than a hefty fine though. From everything I've read and heard, he is more of a participant than an organizer, which is who they'll save the jail time for. It is gonna be really interesting to see if Michael "from the Virginia 'hood-727 baby" Vick will remain true to his gangsta roots and clam up or if the NFL and millions means more to him than his street cred.
so if vick gets convicted what's a good punishment for him? should he be suspended for more games then chris henry? is he worse then justin miller who punched a woman? what's the deal here?
it is very simple.. anyone convicted of dog fighting should be forced into a cage with these dogs.. and btw, I would love to hear Vick explaining to the judge that he needed a "release" from his stressfull job..uhhh judge, it was either I beat my wife or the dog fighting..
very funny :lol: but for real, you think vick should be put to death for this? i want a serious intelligent answer, we can do smart ass later. i'm not condoning dog fighting by any means, i'm glad it's a crime but i'm just not ready to put guys like vick as number 1 on my hit list above bin laden, pedophiles, murderers, rapists, dan mario, ect...
I don't believe he should be put to death. I doubt you'll find anyone that does. I'd say 2-5 years in prison. If he was heavily involved in a dog fighting ring, 10 years.
I don't think anyone is trying to say the crime he committed is worse than a pedophile or murder. With that said, it is still a crime and a pretty serious one & he deserves to get a fair punishment if he is convicted. and no I don't think death is a fair punishment..
