Yanks Fans: It's 11:43 P.M. Rant Thread

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  1. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

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    Total attendance tonight: 8.

    And one of them will probably be Rudy hoping to generate some press for his Pesidential campaign.
     
  2. FirstTimeCaller

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    That sounds pretty cool... I was at Bryant Park for happy hour a few weeks ago, very cool place and lot's of hot chicks. :up:
     
  3. AlioTheFool

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    To humor you, I figured I'd reply one more time to explain why you're showing yourself to have a clear lack of knowledge of the situation.

    Coming into this year, this Yankees team was projected by EVERYONE in the media to score 1000 runs. That's an average of 6.17 per game.

    They gave up 3 last night.

    To compound that, they faced Shaun Marcum. In his past 10 starts, he has played against NYY, Baltimore, Philly, TB, and Boston, Cleveland, and Texas twice each. (Some of those relief appearances.)

    In those games, he has ERAs of:
    Bal: 4.33
    Phi: 4.13
    TB: 4.43
    Bos: 6.06
    Clev: 7.07
    Clev: 8.25
    Tex: 7.50
    Tex: 6.55
    Bos: 6.30

    His ERA was 3.70 against the Yankees last night.

    None of those teams was slated to score 1000 runs coming into this year. And teams like Texas and Tampa Bay have been having a rough year.

    Are you doing the math here?

    If the Yankees score HALF of their projected average in the game, they are at least going to extra innings.

    If Marcum pitches a typical game for himself, the Yankees don't even need extra innings to win, even WITH a steal of home, and a "mistake" for an out.

    They don't score runs. I don't know how else to explain it to you to make you understand. If last night was an aberration, then I'd agree with you wholeheartedly. But last night has been the norm.

    Hope this post wasn't too long for you.
     
  4. FirstTimeCaller

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    No team in baseball history has ever driven in 1000 runs in a season so the fact that you base your argument on a BS stat and back it up with "EVERYBODY" predicted it (despite not shoing one example where anybody predicted it) tells me all I need to know about your ridiclous atttempt at statistical analysis of last night's game.

    You don't even talk about the fact that 2/3 of the Jays runs were unearned because of bad defense (2 errors) and the 3rd was the result of your pitcher (who has one of the best pick off moves in baseball) totally falling asleep (whihc he admitted after the game). The fact is the Yankees bats did enough to win at least tie the game (1 earned and one unearned run) it was the sloppy play in the field and not playing heads up ball that cost them the victory. They should be mad at themselves when they piss away chances like they had last night.
     
  5. AlioTheFool

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    I can concede that you are half right. Like I said earlier, if last night were an aberration, then sure, you could point a finger at Alex and Andy, and maybe even get away with it.

    But to act like this team scored enough runs, as though they have during practically any game this year, is ridiculous.

    2 runs is not enough to beat any team in this age of baseball on most nights.

    As for my comment about 1000 runs, if you never saw the guys on Baseball Tonight or SportsCenter talk about it in the preseason, you weren't watching ESPN at all. Why would I provide reference? You're probably the SOLE person who claims not to have heard it, and simply to argue your point against me.

    But if you must have a name, how about Kruk? He must have repeated it a dozen times between the start of Spring Training until about two weeks into the season. (But I'm sure you'll just shrug that off with an off-handed remark about Kruk's ability to talk baseball or something of that nature. I'd mention Steve Phillips saying it multiple times too, but I already know the reaction his name gets from Mets fans.)
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    If you take last night's game as a singularity, and ignore the entire rest of the season, yes, it could be contrued as embarassing for Pettitte and ARod. However, the both of them are two of the 4 reasons this team is even still competing for ANY wins.

    As far as your comment about Pettitte "admitting it was a bonehead play," what exactly is he supposed to say? "Why the hell didn't Alex grab him and drag him down for me?" Come on, you're being argumentative to simply try to "prove me wrong."

    As for Pettitte's pick off move, yes, he's got one of the best in the game. To first base. He's a lefty. The runner was coming from third, and therefore, his back was to the basepath. He has to rely fully on his teammates to call out the runner's advance. How you can blame that play on Pettitte at all is a stretch, but to blame him solely is ridiculous.
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    On the ARod bunt play, he made the play. It's not like he booted it. He didn't miss the throw to first. Sure, the runner advanced to third. That's the point of a sacrifice bunt.

    As they talked about during the game, and I fully agree with, you get outs wherever you can. On that play, you get the sure out, right then and there. Then you hope that the next hitter fails as well. If ARod lets that ball go foul, and the next pitch winds up in the seats, people are jumping on Alex for not getting the sure out. Again, it's ridiculous.
     
  6. 3rdAnd15Draw

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    A simple google search shows that in fact there were a number of people predicting 1000 runs for the Yankees this year. I'm not exactly sure why since alot of the players were older and expecting them to perform at peak or close to it was probably a pipe dream.

    The only team that's actually managed to break 1000 runs in the last 50+ years or so is the 99 Indians
     
  7. AlioTheFool

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    There's no question it was a ludicrous number, and I have said as much in the past. However, there was no way that coming into this year this team should have been expected to score less than 4-5 runs per game. (648 - 810)

    Unfortunately for me, the statistic goes against my argument. They've scored 258 runs in the first 50 games. That's an average of 5.16 runs per game, which is reasonable to win most games, if you have decent pitching.

    What the statistic does not show is that the starting rotation suffered early on, while ARod was driving in a ridiculous number of runs, and now the pen keeps collapsing late in the game.

    The Yankees haven't scored more than 3 since last friday, when they scored 6 and surrendered 10. If you look here: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/schedule?team=nyy you'll see just how ridiculous the Yankees' year has been.

    When they get the bats hot just happens to be the same games that the pitching blows. Most games the starting pitching has been good though. It's the pen that gives up all the damned runs, and quite often, we just don't score enough to win. Days where we score 12+ skew the average.

    The fact is, this team is a mess. Top to bottom.
     
  8. 28rogerblaze51

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    joe torre is done as a yankee manger for the past 3 years.... i wanted lou piniella and they even screwed that up. this team needs a lou piniella to turn it around. torre is not hungry anymore and so is the team.
     
  9. JoeJet

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    I think the best available for Yankee manager now is Joe Girardi. George has to make that move.
     
  10. MobiusOne28

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    I still don't understand why the Marlins fired him. They played pretty damn well for what was essentially a rookie team under him.
     
  11. JoeJet

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    Supposedly, insubordination towards the GM. Girardi does need to tone down a little bit towards his bosses. He also told the owner of the team to be quiet while the owner was yelling at an umpire during a game.
     
  12. AlioTheFool

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    Fully agreed. :beer:
     

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