This pisses me off. Its because of Joe that he was "too strong". You dont want him too strong Joe? Then how about letting him pitch through that 7th inning in Boston to tire him out a bit more or you could of just used in him in relief AGAIN in one of the latest blowouts. I am so done with Joe. He has become "Clueless" Joe.
Damn if this was true I might have rooted for a sweep, Im sick of Torre, he has no passion, balls or brains. Most overated manager of all time.
I have to give Joe credit for yesterday. (If you're going to complain, I feel you have to be fair and give credit too.) He pulled Igawa at the right time yesterday. Sure, Farnsworth wound up being shaky, but he's a lot llike Mo, where he needs to work often to get be "right." (The big difference is, if you use Farnsworth for one too many innings, his back goes POP, and he's out for a month.) But he did a good job yesterday. Starting Giambi at first was a great idea. We needed an offensive boost at first, and Giambi did that. (Pinch running for him was a bad idea, I thought, but fortunately, it didn't matter.) He still looks dead on the bench, but yesterday may have been enough to save his job. Holding the Sox to one run is a feat in and of itself. Especially when our starter broke his leg. I'd still like to be rid of him, but he might be here for the near-term, thanks to yesterday. I guess we'll see. (I'll never root for the Yankees to lose to get rid of him though. :wink
Yeah, I liked Giambo at first too. I'll live with his defense (at least he can scoop bad throws better then either of the other two) and get more offense in the lineup.
Well, in all fairness to Joe, the order for Giambi to be a full-time DH came down from your favorite GM :wink: The whole reason is to preserve his health. Physically, playing first every day is beyond his ability at this point. Using him as a full-time DH is the right thing to do. The only problem is the gaping hole we leave in the lineup with Mienky and Phelps. (Which is strange, since Phelps had a pretty successful offensive spring. I don't know why he doesn't play more often. I'll sacrifice the difference in defensive ability for the better hitting support. I think he'd hit better if he got to play every day.)
Thank god we won a game an hopefully georgekeeps his nose out of the day to day affirs of the team. Joe has very little to do w/ why we have struggled. It wil be a big blunder to fire him now, I was ok w/ it after detroit but he has proven he can lead us back fro rough strts and it would be a mistake to do it now.
Might as well of been a sweep... even if he was fired they'd give it to Mattingly... Not sure I like that... rather have Girardi
prolly cant fire him at this point cause his brothers havin kidney surgery. so if the guy croaks it looks pretty bad on steinbrenners part. so if he wants to fire him hes either gotta wait till the brother makes a full recovery or like 2 months after he dies.
Frank Torre to have kidney transplant Tuesday http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/yankees/2007-04-29-frank-torre-transplant_N.htm NEW YORK (AP) — Joe Torre's older brother is scheduled to have a kidney transplant on Tuesday. Frank Torre will receive the kidney from one of his daughters, Yankees manager Joe Torre said before Sunday's game against Boston. "He's actually looking forward to it because he hasn't been feeling all that strong, which is why you have to have this done," Joe Torre said. Frank Torre, who is 75, spent seven seasons with the Milwaukee Braves and Philadelphia Phillies from 1956-63. He had a heart transplant in October 1996 and watched from his hospital bed the following day as his brother managed the Yankees to a World Series title against Atlanta. Joe Torre is 66. --------------------------------------------- My uncle, the Yankee fan, was telling me about this.
I'd like to give the job to Mattingly, since Girardi is in the booth right now. Mattingly can be named interim, rather than full-manager. If he works out, great. If not, it's an easy transition to Girardi after the season. It doesn't exactly work the other way around, unless Girardi is willing to keep Mattingly as his bench coach (which would be the best of both worlds IMO.) ------------------------ As for firing Joe while his brother is sick, sorry, maybe it sounds heartless, but tough luck buddy. Picture this: I walk into work tomorrow, and for the next 4 weeks, I'll just scrape by. I won't do much, and whenever someone walks by my office, I'll be staring at the floor, daydreaming about a meatball sub. When my boss finally has enough of that, and calls me into the office to can my ass, I'll say, "Hey, my wife is on bedrest for her high-risk pregnancy, could you at least wait until a few weeks after the baby is born?" Yup, that sounds ridiculous, but it's basically the same thing being called for here. The guy is washed up. Derek Jeter is right, he doesn't pitch for them, he doesn't swing the bat for them. But he sure as hell isn't getting them to act like they care, and that IS his job. And since I'm complaining about him, I'll just mention something that pissed me off today. Why did he yank Wang? The pen is exhausted. We were already losing. Wang was still almost 20 pitches from that magic 100 mark. (Which I will never understand.) Instead, he started up the relief carousel. Yup, that worked out. I gave him some credit this morning for his management of yesterday's game. So of course he had to lay another egg today. Am I being unfair at this point? Probably. I'm sure I'm just nitpicking at this point. However, when you can find at least one problem in almost every single game, and most of those games wind up in the L column, at some point, it has to start adding up. Joe must go. Even if he isn't on the field making the plays (or not making them, which is part of the problem,) someone has to answer for the problems. You can't fire the team, so it has to be the manager or the GM. Firing Cashman has zero effect on the team right now, so that leaves Torre.
So you guys that are sayingTorre should be fired.... are you saying this team can not win the WS with him as manager?
I explained why I didn't want Pinella in one of the other threads, but I'll summarize here. He has had some talented teams in the past, and never made the big splash. If you recall, he led one of the most offensively talented teams of the pre-strike era to the postseason, and didn't manage much more than beating us. He was unsuccessful down in Florida. And his total breakdowns in Chicago are on Sportscenter all the time this year. He's all spitfire, and no results. There's no way he could lead this team, especially structured the way it is. This overpriced lot of prima donnas would never respond to his psychopathic tirades. I'll take Torre's total hands off approach to a full-on mutiny in the clubhouse. Girardi or Mattingly is the future. As I've said, my heart wants Donnie, my head says Girardi takes us back to prominence. Right now, I'll be happy with either direction.
Depends on how you phrase the question. CAN the Yankees win with Torre as the manager? The answer is yes. Obviously, less talented teams won under him. There's no reason this one couldn't. WILL the Yankees win with Torre as the manager? My answer is no. He can't motivate them to even try, much less win. If guys aren't even going to make an effort, how can you expect them to win? It's not just the pitching that's a problem. This lineup was predicted to score 1000 runs before the season. They won't hit that mark playing the way they have lately. They also play shotty defense. That's all mental, and the blame has to go somewhere. Considering this is basically the same defensive team we had last year, and actually should be BETTER defensively, the blame for the apparent laziness has to fall on the coaching staff, and directly on the manager.
