A-Rod Watch 2007

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  1. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    BTW, I would blame Torre for those last three series losses too. He started Brown against Boston in game 7 3 years ago, Chacon against LA 2 years ago in game 4, and Wright last year in game 4. In all three cases we were on the verge of elimination and he went with his worst option. His belief of saving his pitchers for game 7 of the WS is meaningless when you never get close to it.

    Now, on the other side of that look at what the diamondbacks did with their pitching to win thw WS the last time we even got close.
     
  2. AlioTheFool

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    I truly, truly hope not.

    Even if he doesn't stay, I STILL hope he is clean. I'll admit I had my doubts for a while last year. He just seemed "too big."

    Regardless, Yankee or not, he is an amazing player, and has the most legitimate chance of taking Bonds out of the record books a few years from now. I want the player that does that to be squeaky clean, whoever it is, and whoever he plays for.
     
  3. EcKo151

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    ARod slows down going 0-3 thus far, could come up in the 9th, we'll see.
     
  4. nyjunc

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    It's CURRENT, I don't care if I mention it 5 million times it's a current 12 game streak in postseason w/o an RBI. I am very happy w/ his regs eason so far, he's been amazing but he's got to get it done in October.

    According to you guys Joe is responsible for every loss so I just assumed he was responsible for ARod's failures?

    he had excellent #s but again he wasn't clutch for us enough, Ortix hit about 15 GW hits- he deserved it.

    We have won 2 AL pennants. In 2001 against a dominant pitching team where we had no business even being in the series we lost in 7 when the greatest closer of all time finally blew one(I am sure you blame Joe for pitching marinao 2 innings).

    In 2002 we couldn't pitch but I am sure that had to do w/ Joe's opegame speech or something.

    In 2003 we couldn't hit in the WS, must have been Joe's fault for the way he wrote out the lineup.

    In 2004 we didn't pitch great but we couldn't hit in key situations, in 2005 we stopped hitting after Game 1.

    Obviously all these losses are on Joe and of course he was just along for the ride from '96-'00 as he did nothing for us to help us win.


    If Joe NEVER wins another playoff series I will still always love him for what he was able to do from '96-'00.



    That is a question you should ask yourself w/ your irrational hatred of Torre.

    Yep, b/c a great April is MUCH more important than a great october. You asked if I read what I write?

    The man batted .500 last year in the playoffs, the man did all he could 2 years ago setting us up for a 9th inning rally then ARod grounded into a DP(one of his few non-strikeouts).

    It amazes me how yankee fans can constantly bash jeter and Torre and have nothing but praise for ARod. That extra "fat" has really kileld derke and his .316 BA. he had a rouh stretch defensively but those appear to be behind him.

    Who was he supposed to start in game 7 in 2004?

    Chacon was great for us in 2005 and in that game 3 you did't want him to pitch the man pithed 6 1/3 and gave up just 2 runs and we won thegame 3-2.

    If he doesn't pitch Wright in game 4 he has to pich him in game 5 IF we win Game 5 in which Wang would have been pitching on 3 days rest.

    Arizona had 2 horses that culd pitch on short rest and out of the pen. Mussina can't pitch or shor or longrest, I don't think Wang as pitched on short rest and obviously Johnson as a Yankee coldn't pitch on short rest.
     
  5. AlioTheFool

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    I thought this was worth posting in this thread:

    A-Rod doesn't want to leave NY next season

    The only thing that's strange is that he didn't say he wants to stay in pinstripes. ESPN is implying he did, but there's no quote of that.
     
  6. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Unless he plays 2B or Wright or reyes move there's no room for ARod across town.
     
  7. ShadeTree#55

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    1st base to take over for Delgado.
     
  8. AlioTheFool

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    Let's be honest. If Alex said to Omar and Willie, "Look, I'd love to play here, but only if I can be the shortstop," there's not a snowball's chance in hell he wouldn't be the new Mets starting shortstop.

    Chances are though, if he were to become a Met, he would continue to play 3B, and Wright would be moved elsewhere.

    ARod would send you guys skyrocketing into the postseason though. That's all but a guarantee. There's no way they'd even try to force him to play first.
     
  9. Gator

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    No way. Not even A-Rod could supplant Reyes at short.

    The Mets don't need A-Rod anyway.
     
  10. AlioTheFool

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    I don't know about that.

    Not that I thought it would matter anyway, since like I said, he'd probably continue to play 3rd.

    And it's never a matter of need with a player like ARod.
     
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    If Arod was ever serious about playing for the Mets, but insisted he had to play shortshop, I would consider hard about that and move maybe Reyes to leftfield next year replacing Alou. Soriano moved from 2nd base to outfield, Paul Molitor moved from ss to the outfield. How would this lineup look:

    Reyes, lf
    Wright, 3b
    Beltran, cf
    Rodriguez, ss
    Delgado, 1b
    Milledge, rf
    Rodriguez (Pudge), c
    Valentine, 2b or some free agent
     
  12. AlioTheFool

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    Damn, you're counting on Pudge coming too? That's a killer lineup in the AL, it would absolutely decimate the NL. (And that's not an attempt to knock the NL either.)

    Nice to see someone is realistic about ARod though. If he asks for it, you really can't say no.
     
  13. Don

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    Stranger things have happened, but I don't ever see Arod playing in the national league whether it's the Mets, the Cubs or anybody else. Part of that is having to learn all the pitchers. He has a chance to set historical records and that could be a lost couple of years while he made the adjustment.
     
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  14. 3rdAnd15Draw

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    Why would he ask for it though? He's moved to 3B when he was clearly the better defensive SS on the roster, I don't see why he would want to move back when he wouldn't be.

    As for Pudge, that would be a horrible move and a giant waste of money. The Mets already have a 35+ catcher who struggles to put up a .300 OBP on their roster, no need to go out and get another.
     
  15. AlioTheFool

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    I didn't say he would. I actually stated he would most likely be the Mets 3B. All I was saying was that if ARod said in November, "Look, I like to play in NY, but I don't want to be a Yankee, but I demand to move back to short, what can we do?" the Mets would be insane to not give him what he asks for. The potential ticket sales alone would make it worth the while.

    I don't know if Pudge would or would not help, but don't you think he would be an upgrade from LoDuca? I would think Pudge would be an upgrade on practically any team, save for Minny and maybe Boston. I could be wrong on this though. I haven't paid much attention to him in a long time.
     
  16. 3rdAnd15Draw

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    He really fell off the last 2 years, his OBP dropped almost .100 points from 04-05 and only went back up to .332 last year and he's right back to .290 to start off this season. He never was a big walker but he's drawn just 38 in his last 1129(!!!) AB's.

    LoDuca was actually a bit better then him last year, but even if Pudge is an upgrade it's an extremely slight one. The fact that LoDuca is making almost 7m this year is bad enough, they don't need to pay Pudge 10m+.
     
  17. Gator

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    Maybe, but from a performance perspective taking Reyes away from short would hurt the team. I don't know if you watch the Mets a lot but Reyes' fielding is superlative.
     
  18. AlioTheFool

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    No, I admit I don't have much time to watch the Mets. I know what I hear about Reyes all over the place from people that do watch him though, and I know, just from what I have seen, that he is a special player.

    I just don't see how a team could tell ARod no, if it was the one condition of bringing him into the fold. Fair enough though. Yankees fans in general were pretty demanding that Jeter not be moved, and there was no question Alex was the better defensive shortstop at the time.
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    Pretty interesting on Pudge. I guess I was going more on past "name recognition" than anything else.
     
  19. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Are you saying ARod as a SS wasn't better defensively than reyes is now?


    reyes already moved once for kaz matsui, I don't think it would be right to ask him to move again.
     
  20. 3rdAnd15Draw

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    I don't know. After 4 years at 3b for ARod though I think I'd have to give Reyes the edge now.
     

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