A-Rod Watch 2007

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  1. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Now you're just babbling. In the first 9 postseason games as a Yankee he also batted .395. Where do you talk about that? Just admit it, you are an Arod hater and probably a Yankee hater too as that would be the only explanation for your opinions on one of the greatest players ever.
     
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  2. devilonthetownhallroof

    devilonthetownhallroof 2007 TGG Fantasy Baseball League Champion

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    Did you know last year with RISP Arod had more RBI than Jeter? And more HR? And he was walked more?

    Or that in close and late situations Arod had a better AVG, SLG, and OBP than Jeter last year? You know, last year when he was terrible in those situations?

    And I know that they were going to trade Manny for Arod. I was against it only because I like Manny more, but the lineup would have been just as good. I'm talking about now, when Arod opts out at the end of the year, I hope the Sox sign him.
     
  3. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    And all of the nyjuncs of the world deserve nothing better. (With that, this will be my last post directed at him. I feel there is no way to win an argument with somebody like that. The facts get in the way of his thinking).
     
  4. AlioTheFool

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    I watch the games every day. It took me until August last year to finally give up on ARod, and that was more because I bowed to the hatred being spewed towards him. He's the best player in the game, and he's once again proving it.

    You're comments that you would want someone like Ventura at 3rd over ARod are wholesale ridiculous, and as was mentioned earlier, do not truly warrant a response.

    Do you even realize that these posted ERAs actually INVALIDATE your argument?

    Quite simply, with ERAs that high against us, and the result being that we STILL LOST, our pitching MUST have been WORSE.

    Forget the cold bats, those are obvious. We all know the bats went cold, but except for Jeter, Matsui, and Posada, ALL the bats went cold. Where was Sheff's bat? Giambi's? You know, the guys in the lineup whose sole job it is to drive in runs?

    ARod went cold, yes. Has his postseason performance been less-than-stellar? Yes. Should we expect more from the best player in the sport? Yes.

    Is our losing in the playoffs solely on his shoulders? Are you freaking serious?

    You refer to him as "leading" the bats. I thought the Captain, Jeter, was responsible for leading the charge on the field. Obviously, no one was following.

    Your arguments get more ridiculous with every post.
     
  5. devilonthetownhallroof

    devilonthetownhallroof 2007 TGG Fantasy Baseball League Champion

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    Haha, I didn't even think of that. If opposing teams have high ERAs then the Yankees are scoring runs, so the offense can NOT be the problem. I love it.
     
  6. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    I tried to make that point to him earlier. That pitching wins in the playoffs, not hitting but it's impossible to get him to see that. If you ask Torre or Cashman or anybody else in the Yankee front office how we won those last 4 rings they will all say the same thing. Pitching. That team was built around pitching and pitching was all that mattered. We haven't had it now for 3 years so they tried to make up for it with hitting. It works fine in the regular season but not in the post season where you go up against excellent staffs in any series. We will win it all again when we get the pitching back to what it was in the late 90s.
     
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    Cap'n Clutch had another big game last night.
     
  8. AMJets

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    I didn't even realize that while I read this thread. Hilarious. :lol:
     
  9. Mehl-56

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    This thread is priceless...
     
  10. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    he had an excellent series against the Twins and started out well against Bosto but let's look at the Boston series:

    Game 1: 2-4, zero RBI
    Game 2: 1-4, zero RBI
    game 3: 3-5, 3 RBI but of course this was a 19-8 game. 2 of his RBi were when the game was close.
    Game 4: 1-5, 2 RBI

    He was good early on vs. Boston but games 5-7 he went 1-12 w/ zero RBI and has continued that hot hitting since as he hasn't had an RBi since Game 4 of the 2004 ALCS but please keep telling me how great he has been and how we would suck w/o him.

    When were those hits w/ RISP is the question? It's not a big deal up or down 8 runs in the 8th to get RBi w/ RISP.


    Last year in clopse and late ARod batted .237 and Jeter .325 and if you look at ARod's splits you'll ntoice how he turned it on in September batting .358 as the pressure was off since we had the div wrapped up then reverted back to big game ARod in October.

    Manny is clutch, how would the lineup have been just as good? teams would have pitched around Grape Ape and that would have killed you.

    I never mentioned Ventura though I did say ANYONE at 3B would have been better than ARod the last couple of years. ANYONE could ahve done better than ZERO RBI in 12 straight postseason games.

    By showing different teams it bolsters my argument. Showing that the other teams had the ability to win when their pitchers pitched poorly so why couldn't we do it w/ a better lineup top to bottom?

    it;'s not ALL Arod it's MOSTLY ARod. Sheff, Giambi, Matsui all weren't good but they had moments. 12 straight postseason games w/o an RBI is atrocious. Bubba Crosby had an RBI in just 8 ABs against LAA 2 years ago.

    obviously they weren' following him b/c he batted .500 last year and he set the table for a comeback in game 5 2 years ago only to see ARod ground into another DP.

    What you guys fail to realize ios that they are different teams, one has the Championship staff and the other the post-championship staff.

    You guys are really reaching to use that as a point against me but when you have nothing I guess it's time to reach.
     
  11. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    hmm..another error for Jeter. I wonder if he will set the all time record at any position in history.
     
  12. AMJets

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    You said the bats were more responsible for our failures than the pitching... then you went on to present teams that we were successful against offensively, yet still lost the series..

    How can you even argue that that HELPS your argument?
     
  13. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Not successful enough, I presented teams that had higher ERA's than the Yanks had last year against detroit and I also presented 2 completely diff Yankee teams.

    You aren't a Yankee fan, are you? It seems Jeter is picking up where ARod left off but if jeter never plays well again he's done enough good to last 20 careers and I am sure when the bright lights are on Jeter will come through as usual- I HOPE Alex actually coms through for a chance when the bright ligts are on.
     
  14. AMJets

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    In the 2004 ALCS, we had a .282 team batting average and 45 runs in 7 games (which would be 1035 runs over 162 games, far and away the best in baseball.) But we had a 5.17 team ERA.

    In the 2002 ALDS, we had a .281 team batting average and 25 runs in 4 games (which would be 1013 runs over 162 games, far and away the best in baseball.) But we had an 8.21 team ERA.

    2004 there were times when our offense struggled, but you can't expect to have an explosive offense when you're facing Schilling and Martinez. Game 7 was the only game we failed to hit against a hittable pitcher... but regardless, our pitching gave up 10 runs.

    And in 2002, we didn't score less than 5 runs in a single game.

    Pitching is what carries you in the post-season, and it has been the main reason we haven't won a championship since 2000.
     
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    STOOOOOOOOP.

    I'm being serious: This is a joke right?
     
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  16. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Give him a break. All of his baseball knowledge comes from the NY Post.
     
  17. devilonthetownhallroof

    devilonthetownhallroof 2007 TGG Fantasy Baseball League Champion

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    That's not true. In close and late last year Arod hit .264, Jeter hit .245. Slugging was .434 to .302 for Arod and OBP was .361 to .333 for Arod. This is from the New York Yankees official web site. Here is the link.

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/stat...e.y=6&box1=XXXX116539nya6&box2=XXXX121347nya5

    Please don't ignore this junc. Own up to being proven 100% wrong. Did you make those numbers up?
     
  18. JoeJet

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    Comparing Jeter to AROD is the biggest joke imaginable. Jeter has never hit over 30 home runs. AROD has done it TEN times. Jeter has more than 100 rbis, one time, AROD has done it TEN times. Saying Jeter is better than AROD, is like saying Chad was better than Brett Favre because he had a higher completion percentage.
     
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  19. AlioTheFool

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    OKay, so you would take ANYONE over ARod. How about that one-hit-wonder that is Aaron Boone?

    But I'm sure you'll point to the single clutch hit in his career as justification that you are right.

    If their pitchers pitched POORLY, then WE HIT THE DAMN BALL. Not only did we hit it, but we SCORED. Obviously the lineup was generating runs.

    So if we lost, which we did, WE GAVE UP MORE RUNS THAN WE SCORED.

    What about this math is too hard for you?

    It's MOSTLY ARod? Mostly ARod that cannot score 6 runs a game to overcome the pitching we present to our opposition? Mostly ARod that isn't getting on base and then driving HIMSELF in?

    You are so wrong it's not even amusing anymore.

    Right. You said THEY weren't following Derek's lead. Just like I said. Thanks for agreeing.

    Wait, so are you now admitting that the pitching staff has been poorer in the years post-title? I mean, that's pretty much the point everyone has been trying to make to you.

    Oh SOMEONE is reaching here. I think the vast majority will agree it's only one person who is though.
     
  20. 3rdAnd15Draw

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    I think junc and Gwen Knapp would get along pretty well.

    :rofl:
     

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