NFL Draft Countdown Mock 4/12

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  1. ekaarons

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    fred bennett looks good to me also.he will mature into a great shutdown corner.
     
  2. WW85

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    I really like Bennett and he should be available in late Rd 2. I would prefer Wilson, academic all-american, and classic shutdown corner. I'm not a UT fan, but they have put out some very good defense players over the years, especially on the D-Line. Tennessee usually has good D-lineman and they face one of the better O-lines in practice everyday.
     
  3. Big Cotch

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    I don't want him at 25 either, but he's not over rated.
    I remember the Miami FSU game to start the 2005 season -- he was amazing. That's one of the only Miami games I watched, but he was unreal.

    The 4.7 comment is ridiculous though-- other than maybe QB's, Linemen, and Calvin Johnson, if you add 1/4 of a second to the 40 time of any player in the draft, they would not be considered there either. You think Leon Hall would be a first rounder if he ran a 4.65?

    You said you don't like Hughes, and I'm sure it's because of his slow 40 time--so you're showing inconsistancy-- If you think Olsens good 40 times don't matter, then the poor 40 times for Hughes shouldn't matter either since he had such a great career.
     
  4. MobiusOne28

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    If the draft went down that way, I'd go:

    1. Houston, Blalock, or Jarrett; I'm fine with any of these and I think they'll all be much better at the next level than Olsen. I really don't like this pick considering the value left on the board.

    2a. Woodley or Moses; no real complaints here.

    2b. Josh Wilson (if not Houston in the 1st). I love Wilson's smarts and athleticism. He plays a lot bigger than he is as well. Mark my words, he'll be a stud at the next level in due time. EDIT: Never mind what I said here before. I still like Wilson over Hughes, but I can accept this pick. For anyone questioning his speed, he ran a 4.56 40 at his pro day (on which he was a lot faster than he was at the combine). For reference, Aaron Ross is timed at a 4.50 and Tenard Jackson at 4.52, and both are ranked ahead of him on most boards, despite him having better overall college production.

    3. I don't mind Solali here, but he's a little bit of a reach. I'd rather Mike Walker if we don't grab Jarrett in the 1st.
     
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  5. JetFanInPA

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    40 times are a bit overrated...

    Even Green Hurricane, a huge Miami U fan, shares the opinion that Greg Olsen is a bit overrated...

    And by the way, it's not Hughes' 40 time that makes me dislike him as a prospect... You can't just assume that.
     
  6. JetFanInPA

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    And even though they're a bit overrated, 40-times are more important for CBs than TEs...

    A CB has to use his speed and quickness on nearly every play to keep up with WRs. It's a necessity for a CB to have solid speed.

    A TE is able to get away with having a lack of speed much easier than a CB is.
     
  7. Big Cotch

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    So what is it about Hughes that you don't like? Everyone who's anyone says the guy can flat out play, and is as smart, and talented as anyone- He ran the slow 40-- however his technique prevents him from getting beat.
    I'm guessing you haven't REALLY watched him, so I would like to hear a legit reason other than 40 time why you don't like him.
     
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    Why would you consider the opinion of "Green Hurricane" over an experienced analyst, or the opinions of those on the NFL network? The guy had a shit QB, and really a shit team behind him for 3 years. It was his team that was overrated, not him. He, like Chris Baker, did about all he could with his opportunities.

    I don't love the guy, but if you think he's overrated because 40 times don't mean much, and because "Green Hurricane" said so, then it is not very substantial--especially considering how adamant you seem to be about him.
     
  9. JetFanInPA

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    From what I've read, his game speed is below average and is prone to getting beat deep... I don't like that at all. I'd prefer a speedier CB such as Josh Wilson. Every report I've read on Hughes has used the word "overrated..."

    It's also a bit of a hunch on my part... For some reason, he reminds me a lot of Derrick Strait... Just a hunch.

    Obviously Green Hurricane isn't the reason I don't like Greg Olsen for the Jets.....

    I personally think he shot up draft boards quite a bit because he ran a 4.51. Before that, he was projected as an early 2nd round pick and now he's been predicted as a high as #14 to Carolina.

    My opinion on him is biased because I am STRONGLY against us going TE in Round 1... Honestly, if there was no talk of him becoming a Jet for whatever reason, I would have a lot less of a problem with him. I just don't want us going for a TE that early....
     
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  10. Big Cotch

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    I have read the exact opposite-- he may have been overrated when most considered him as a first round pick, but now he's more of a late 2nd- 3rd it seems.

    Here's one review--

    Coverage skills: Consistently stays on receivers' hips in nearly all types of coverage despite lacking elite speed and explosiveness. Shows a compact and efficient backpedal, and transitions out of it quickly to close on passes in front of him in a flash. Cuts in front of receivers to make tough interceptions. Excels in most tight man-to-man situations; is most effective when keeping hands on receivers and being physical throughout routes. Reads quarterbacks well in zone coverage, closing fast to play the ball. Grade: 8.5

    Run/pass recognition: Shows great instincts, a big reason for elite productivity in the pass-happy Pac-10 despite lacking elite speed and explosiveness. Does not get fooled by play-action fakes or double moves. Doesn't bite on receivers' dips and fakes in their routes. Grade: 8.5
     
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    The last thing we need is a NT? You're kidding right? I mean Pouha has a very very small chance of making a roster considering in 2 seasons he's either been injured or he was horrible. Add to the fact that he was a 26 year old rookie and the chance of making any contribution at nose tackle in a 3-4 is slim and none.

    Our biggest need by far is 3-4 nose tackle. If there was one that was projected to go in the first round then the Jets would go after that player but historically finding nose tackles is very difficult.
     
  12. JetFanInPA

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    Here's another report below... This one says a lot of good things, but also talks about how he has a tendancy to get beat deep... As I said, it's a bit of a hunch, but I'm not crazy over this guy. I wouldn't be extremely upset if we got him in the 2nd though... I'd prefer a few other guys to him...

    Strengths:
    A very good natural athlete...Has pretty good size...Is very instinctive...Playmaker with excellent ball skills...His hips are smooth and fluid...Very productive and came away with a lot of interceptions during his career...Is physical and will support the run...Experienced and a hard worker with good intangibles...A special teams ace.

    Weaknesses:
    Does not have great timed speed, quickness or a burst to recover...Will take too many chances...Is susceptible to being fooled and will get burnt...He needs to get stronger...Might be limited in terms of the type of scheme he will be able to play in at the next level...Inconsistent and a liability on vertical routes in deep coverage.

    Notes:
    Nickname is "Dante"...Had a big senior campaign and ranked among the nations leaders in interceptions...Would probably fit best in a Cover 2 or zone coverage scheme...Is somewhat overrated and really not as good as his reputation would indicate...Where he's ultimately drafted will depend on how he runs in workouts.
     
  13. Big Cotch

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    Funny how one report says he gets fooled, and that is a weakness, and the the other says he does not, and that is one of his strengths. Unreal!! Such BS trying to get the real scoop on a guy. I agree on drafting him in the 2nd--wouldn't be upset, but wouldn't love it either.
     
  14. JetFanInPA

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    Yeah I was thinking that... Those reports contract themselves a bit...

    What site was your scouting report from? I got mine from NFLDraftCountdown and Scott Wright, who seems to be a pretty knowledgable and reliable source.
     
  15. DonnieIsTheKing

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    My draft would have been

    1. Blalock
    2a. Moses
    2b. A corner... Wade or Wilson works. One of those two or WR Jason Hill
    3. Soliai

    As for the draft as a whole, is it just me or is Brandon Meriweather selected at 26 and then again at 39?
     
  16. JetFanInPA

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    Nope. Justin Blalock goes to Atlanta at #39... (He should have gone to a certain team at #25)
     
  17. DonnieIsTheKing

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    I don't know what's up with my computer... Am I getting the new and old mock draft at the same time? I see Tony Hunt being taken at 47 and 90 too.

    Edit: Under rounds 1 and 3 it says updated April 12, but under round 2 is says updated March 22 on my computer... weird.
     

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