Well, apparently this guy didn't start playing football until his senior year of college, he's got nice size, is a fantastic physical specimen, and started for a few games last season... but he's greener than a stalk of broccoli. Project players are nice, and I guess he would add competition at the position, but for a second rounder I would pass on him. I guess the argument could be made that he didn't have a chance to supplant Willie Anderson on the Bengals' depth chart.
THe best indication we have of Andrews value (beyond his size and speed numbers) is that the Bengals are trying to hang onto him and there's a top veteran blocking him. This guy is an unknown, but he may be less of an unknown then a prospect from the draft. Living in Philly, I can tell you that his brother is a very good player. While it's no guarantee, there's a good chance that whatever the brother's share the same qualities in terms of character and work ethic being raised in the same household. Who's a better choice for Oline in the first or 2nd rounds? I say give up the #2. We still have another.
Id rather give up our 2nd , second rounder and get their fourth and even throw in a player if it comes to that.If we did that, we can always trade our 1st round pick to acquire more picks.I think it is important that we have a second , third and fourth rounders in this draft.
It's not clear that the Jets would use a 2nd round pick to take a good college guard right now. In that light I see Andrews as intriguing given his history and limited successes but in no way likely to be worth the 59 pick. If the Jets could negotiate a lower compensation with the Bengals then he might be a very good pickup but everything I'm seeing on him suggests that the Bengals want him around for at least another season to maintain depth in front of Palmer.
On Foxsports.com >Bengals offensive lineman Stacy Andrews has received attention as a restricted free agent. Andrews, a fourth-year player with three NFL starts, visited with the New York Jets Monday and Tuesday. Such visits are allowed under the collective bargaining agreement. The Jets have not yet started to discuss an offer with Andrews' agent, Richard Moran. "They seemed to have done their homework," Moran said. Another NFL team inquired about trading a fourth-round pick to the Bengals for Andrews, Moran said.< Posted April 11, by Ben Maller
Here's what they're saying about possibly losing Andrews on the Cincy Enquirer Bengals fan board: Andrews Visits Jets New Topic Reply to Topic Printer Friendly Next Page Author Topic Page: 1 2 of 2 fitzsir All-Pro 414 Posts Posted - 04/11/2007 : 09:42:39 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- tough to make a call on this one since the offer sheet is yet to be extended or accepted, however, I think the Bengals are in for a surprise on this one. my understanding is that a lot of GM's and scouts think he can start right now. A 2nd round pick would be nice but can we really afford not to resign this kid with the milage on Willie and Levi still recovering? They lack depth at both tackle spots if you remove Andrews from the equation. This is not a positive development. phil413 All-Pro 375 Posts Posted - 04/11/2007 : 10:41:39 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Like I said in another post, I'm as big of a Stacy backer as anyone, but they really won't have a choice. It would have been nice if they resigned him to a deal similar to Bobbie's and moved Williams inside to center. That would form a massive right side and make us not worry so much about losing our 3rd reciever (thats when you know you're pass dominant). Just imagine what it would be like to be a running threat from a 3 wide set. I guess all we can do is imagine, because if someone thinks Stacy should be paid like a tackle, the Bengals have no choice. They did the right thing in giving him a high tender, but I still don't understand why they didn't talk about the longterm. Maybe they did, either way it looks a lot like the Stienbach situation, but at least they get a 2nd out of it. You'd love to have Stacy, but they'll be alright at tackle, it says a lot about Whitworth that they would play him over Stacy (no knock against Andrews). The thing is though, with as much improvement the defense needs, I don't mind the 2nd rounder. It enables you to take the best available player instead of going "okay CB 1st then LB, or S 1st then DT". Maybe Marvin can then use the 4th or 5th on another raw tackle and see what develops. Whatever the case, if they aren't even talking with these guys until they have to, I hope they learn their lesson, it ain't like other teams don't have scouts. rickscott Hall Of Famer USA 6235 Posts Posted - 04/11/2007 : 11:56:47 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Maybe Adam Keift is ready to contribute too. We don't know. I hate to lose him but you can't pay everybody on offense Striper Veteran 652 Posts Posted - 04/11/2007 : 12:54:21 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It a tough call because I don't think the Bengals can afford to lose him, nor can they afford to pay him if the Jets make some kind of ridiculas offer. With Willie getting older, and Levi coming of operations, and with Steinbach leaving, I'm worried they are going to be a little thin at OL positions now! I see them matching any offer that the can to keep him. phil413 All-Pro 375 Posts Posted - 04/11/2007 : 2:42:57 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- you know, I don't know what the Jets have to spend, but if they do lowball him as a tackle (say 3-4 mil./yr) and try to frontload it, what's to say they don't match? They don't have a lot to use now, but whats to say they don't move Thornton or deal Smith? Not to say they'd just move a franchised player to clear room for Andrews, but maybe they find a suitable trade. The Jets are going to decide for the Bengals that Andrews is a starting RT and should be paid like one. If they pay what the Bengals would consider would be guard's money, whats to say they don't match. I was criticized about the C-Williams/RG-Andrews idea, but if you are that crazy about keeping both young tackles (Andrews and Whitworth) you can't pay Stacy to be a backup. When Whitworth's time comes, someone will see that he can be a tackle and they'll have to pay whatever he wants. Striper Veteran 652 Posts Posted - 04/11/2007 : 3:22:16 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I saw this on a Jets message board, maybe they don't value him a much as we think: The Bengals, intrigued by his size and freakish athletic ability, took a flier on him. But in three years, Andrews has started only three games - all at right guard. Currently, he?s listed as a backup on their depth chart. He?s as raw as raw gets, but tantalizingly gifted. At least he doesn?t have a rap sheet, which may put him in the minority on the Bengals. It?s easy to see why the Jets are interested - they?re looking to get younger at guard - but I think it would be a stretch to give up a second-rounder for such an unproven commodity. I?d rather draft a guy in the second round and groom him to take over for LG Pete Kendall, who will be 34. A rookie would be cheaper than Andrews and, chances are, more seasoned. The Jets probably could pry Andrews away from the Bengals if they really want to. The notoriously cheap Bengals don?t have much salary-cap room and would have to swallow hard to pay Andrews, a backup for them, about $3 million-a-year. (Just throwing out a number there.) But, again, would that be a prudent investment for the Jets? I don?t think so. lostwou Hall Of Famer 1042 Posts Posted - 04/11/2007 : 3:48:13 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think it would be great for us to get a 2nd round pick for him...a 2nd round pick for a backup is nothing to sneeze at...they still have keift.. whitworth can play either...and koostria...most of the time andrews played he was lined up at the TE position...I have an idea...get a TE who can block and receive and problem solved there.2 second round picks would help our team more right now than andrews would. rickscott Hall Of Famer USA 6235 Posts Posted - 04/11/2007 : 4:02:55 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If the Bengals don't resign him, it has nothing to do with being cheap. How smnart is it to invest all of your money on offense and even on offensive subs? They need to invest in defense.
Jets interested in Stacy Andrews Offensive lineman Stacy Andrews has received attention as a restricted free agent. Andrews, a fourth-year player with three NFL starts, visited with the New York Jets Monday and Tuesday. Such visits are allowed under the collective bargaining agreement. The Jets have not yet started to discuss an offer with Andrews' agent, Richard Moran. "They seemed to have done their homework," Moran said. Another NFL team inquired about trading a fourth-round pick to the Bengals for Andrews, Moran said. The Bengals tendered Andrews a $1.3 million, one-year offer this spring. They would receive a second-round draft pick as compensation from any team that signs him, which would help the Bengals' chances of retaining him. The Bengals would receive the first of two Jets second-round picks, No. 59, if New York signs Andrews. The Jets also pick at No. 63. The Bengals' second round pick is the 49th overall. In 2006, Andrews enjoyed his first starting experience on offense. He started three games at right guard in place of Bobbie Williams, who underwent an emergency appendectomy. Andrews also played right tackle for part of the first half and the entire second half when Willie Anderson was injured Dec. 18 at Indianapolis. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070411/SPT02/704110348/1066/rss07 Sounds a bit too pricey for me
This guy would come in and immediately start at either RG or RT. He'd be a big upgrade at either position. For a young starter (upgrade) on the o-line with a lot of potential to get better I'd give up the 2nd rounder.
Agreed. Have always liked this guy, good technique and upper strength, this position could cause problems if we don't address them, he would start at guard I'm guessing, huge potential, if we could get him for our 2nd second rounder I would be happy!
Are you Guys serious about that? You want go give up a 2nd round pick for a career-Backup? Thats more than we gave up for a prooven Starting RB. Look how much talent there is in the Draft, especialy at OG, we?ll probably find a future all-pro with that pick. No way, we offer them more than a 5th rounder, and i wouldn?t like that trade either. Stop smoking, whatever you?re somking.
The Bengals offensive line is better than ours, especially at run blocking. He would start on our o-line and be an upgrade. Maybe a second round pick is too much, but who are all these guards in the draft you're talking about? Blalock or Grubbs is going to cost a 1st round pick. Who else is going to come in and be as good as Andrews? He didn't even play football until his senior year of college and is very close to breaking into the starting lineup on a very good Bengals line. He's very athletic, huge and has a ton of potential.
beekman, yanda, ramirez, sears, ugoh, saley all of them could turn into great NFL-Players, and may be available when we pick in the second round. If he would have managed to get a starting Job in Cinci he maybe would be worth the pick, but it seems, that he hasn?t enough talent to get into their starting line up, so why sould we be satisfied with him as our long term solutioun? I agree, he would be a upgrade, but i think we should try to find a better solution for the O-Line problem, then picking up other teams backups for high draft picks.
Fair enough. I don't think it's fair to label him as a career backup though. It's not like he's some 30+ year old backup who's been in the league for years and is in the twilight of his career. Like I said he never even played football until his senior year of college so he had much much less experience going into the NFL than most players. After 3 years in the NFL he has gained much needed experience and will probably compete for that starting RG spot this season if no one signs him away from Cinci.
As German said , I would prefer to bring on a younger player and mould him in the same way Mangini has with Brick and Mangold , If Beekman is still I would take him.
Rarely does any player get traded for more then a 2nd round pick. Even stars. Sure we managed to get a 1st for Abraham last year but that is not the norm. Like someone else said we basically got Jones for a 3rd. Stars at all positions go for 2nds. I would see no reason to ever give up one for this guy. The point of the tender is to solicit trade offers. If we really like him that much maybe we can trade McCareins for him. They are in need of an extra receiver now.:smile:
And to add to that, the Jets signed G Adrien Clark ,6-5, 330 lbs. He is another project who is already on our roster.
