Anyone know if there are any videos out on the internet of JaMarcus throwing sitting down, and on his knees? I don't remember the exact lengths, but I heard he throws a great distance.
I hope he can throw from his back. With first pick in 2007 draft Raiders select Lsu QB Jamarcus Russell. Supposedly russell can throw it eighty five yards. Forget russell arm but he is very accurate Qb.
you guys are vastly overrating him. hes got the physical tools but hes not the spectacular player hes made out to be. im not saying he has bust on him but hes being more highly regarded than people whove had tenfold his production simply cuz of a few workouts. i think he shouldve stayed another year. thats just me. ive seen him choke in some big positions youd expect him to be clutch. but he does have a great arm. he should be good but i'd expect major growing pains. although cuz of his amazing arm he will show his flashes. just not completely ready IMO. but has massive potential.
i think it was todd mcshay, hes just somebody they have to mock drafts n stuff. better arm? no.............stronger? yes. that raider fan who said he was very accurate is wrong. accuracy is pretty good(nothing to rave about) but his best asset is his arm strength. he throws deep balls well by moving in the pocket and changing his launch point. what mostly looks like accuracy is him just forcing passes that end up caught. but either way great prospect. but for him to disect d's i wouldnt expect it. not for another 2 years.
Yeah I heard that as well. But Im guessing Culpepper might be similar to him (if he's the quarterback Im thinking of not sure though:smile: )
without a doubt Jamarcus russel will have the best arm in the NFl. I would like you to tell me who this imiginary Qb is that possesses a better arm than him. I feel almost sorry for teams that try and play that cocver 2 defense against this guy. Second you want to dispute his accuracy. The guy completed in the high sixty percentage in one of the toughest football conferences.(not in a WCO offense) So I really don't know what your basing your accuracy standard on. Nice little article Tom Martinez knows better. He knows that an arm does not make a quarterback. He knows that Tom Brady, his most famous prot?g?, won three Super Bowls because he respects the finer points of the job. And he knows that a quarterback should never, ever be asked to roll to one side of the field and then throw to the other. It's inefficient, mechanically unsound, such a scandalous misuse of momentum that a 10th-grade physics student would flag the play. But Martinez couldn't help himself. JaMarcus Russell's arm is that seductive. When it came time to create a list of plays for Russell to run in front of dozens of NFL scouts and executives last month, Martinez went with the taboo as their grand finale. Russell rolled right, and his receiver broke that way, too, before switching direction. "JaMarcus threw it 70 yards and completed it," Martinez said. "It was unbelievable, unbelievable. You could hear this "Ahhhh" coming from all the NFL people." He wore a mischievous grin when he described the play, still exhilarated that Russell could do something so wrong so right. In his 32 years as a coach at the College of San Mateo and endless summers tutoring quarterbacks at football camps, Martinez has worked with some of the biggest names in the business -- John Elway, future Heisman winner Gino Torretta, USC's Rob Johnson and Brady, who attended his first Martinez camp at age 13 and still calls on him for help with his mechanics. New Englanders view Martinez as something of a wizard. But the coach has never seen anyone quite like the 21-year-old favorite to become the No. 1 pick in this month's NFL draft or done anything like the prep work that he performed for Russell. "This thing was very good for me, it was uplifting," said Martinez, 62, who recently went into semi-retirement because three decades of nonstop coaching had worn away at his heart. The pair worked together for two one-week training sessions and then met up again in Baton Rouge, La., for Russell's "pro day," the NFL draft's equivalent of walking the red carpet. Hired by Russell's agents, Martinez became, for want of a better term, the quarterback's throwing stylist. At Athletes' Performance, a specialized training camp in Tempe, Ariz., Martinez joined a team grooming Russell to take his place atop the draft. The chief competition, Brady Quinn of Notre Dame, is more polished and experienced than Russell, with four years as a college starter as opposed to two, yet he showed up in Tempe for some buffing of his own. "They never threw at the same time," Martinez said. "Brady Quinn would throw in the morning and JaMarcus would throw in the afternoon. There was a little bit of competition there." Russell's size makes him both alluring and unnerving, creating doubts about his agility. He can probably absorb a hit very well, but will he lumber around in the pocket, unable to keep up with the speed of the NFL game? At 6-foot-6, he looks more like a tight end than a quarterback, and he reportedly carried as much as 265 pounds when he led LSU past Quinn's Irish in the Sugar Bowl. His fitness advisers in Arizona peeled close to 10 pounds off him, revealing a sleeker model. Martinez immediately went to work on Russell's feet. On their first day together, Martinez measured the distance Russell covered in a three-step drop. "The first time he did it, it was 41/3 yards," Martinez said, "and in 45 minutes, we had him dropping back 7 yards in the same amount of time." Among other things, he adjusted Russell's hand position after the snap, giving him more balance and leverage on the drop. The next day, he showed a videotape of the session to Russell, increasing the quarterback's confidence in what they had achieved. By the time they were done with their training, Russell's footwork was strong enough that Martinez wanted to showcase it on "pro day." In fact, he wanted to put all of Russell's presumed weaknesses on display. Agents create scripts for these events, and they are usually written to obscure areas of doubt. Martinez reasoned that the scouts and coaches would eventually, in private workouts, ask Russell to perform drills that emphasized perceived shortcomings. He wanted the script to answer the big questions, to assure the scouts that Russell had nothing to hide. The Raiders, current owners of the top pick, recently invited Martinez for what was reported to be an interview to become the team's quarterbacks coach. Martinez read it more as "a chance to exchange information," and he filled them in on what he had learned about Russell. Russell's soft-spoken personality? "He's very quiet, very respectful," Martinez said, "He doesn't say much, but he's always taking things in. You can see him sizing things up and figuring people out." Russell's background? Martinez believes that any NFL executive who meets with Russell's relatives will gain confidence in the decision to draft him. "He has a very grounded family," Martinez said. "They're all squared away. They're not buying into the fanfare around this." The other information he would like to impart would apply to any 21-year-old. Russell needs stability, continuity on the coaching staff. Martinez once heard Jim Plunkett describe a harrowing period in his career when the quarterbacks coach changed four times in four years. He doesn't want one of the most prodigious talents the game has ever seen to be squandered. Martinez has seen all of Russell's flaws up close, and he still finds himself amazed. He says that Russell, fulfilling a typical scout's request, can stand flat-footed at the goal line and, without moving his body for the necessary torque, throw a ball 77 yards downfield. He can also sit at the opponent's 40-yard line and throw a ball through the uprights of the goalpost. Cal's Kyle Boller once asserted that he could throw the same pass from the 50 while on his knees. But Russell does it on his backside, relying entirely on his arm. Martinez fondly calls this maneuver "the butt throw." Martinez is a technical wizard, so he probably shouldn't be so impressed. But he can't help himself. Two weeks as JaMarcus Russell's coach turned him into a fan. The Black John elway.( whosays been very bad team dosen't have its rewards.
yea i saw a video of it on youtube so it should be there... but i couldnt find it when i wanted to see it again.
I still think Oakland will come to their senses and take Calvin Johnson or trade out of the number 1 pick. A QB won't help them at all with that line and they can pick up any scrub still left in FA that will do good with Johnson, Moss and Porter. They still won't win a lot of games this year but they will be better then last and can draft a QB in 08. If they do, Russell could fall all the way to Miami which isn't a great thought.
Raiderjoe - did you know who Jamarcus Russell was before halfway through the season? no. did you know who Brady Quinn was? yes. There is a reason for that, Quinn may not have as high of a ceiling as Russell, but he is a much safer pick. I would compare Quinn to Brady & Palmer. I would compare Russell to Culpepper. Which would you rather have?
A couple facts. First the drafting of the 21 year old Jamarcus russell is not about next season. Thats why they most certainly will get a veteran QB that can be the guy for this year. (whether its Carr, Green, culpepper or C MCNown) You don't pass up the Black John Elway. DKon't have to rush him before hes ready,. SEcond Raiders Oline problems last year had to do more with poor coaching and very outdated offensive system. (than personal) Case In Point Raiders Oline with pretty much same personal only gave up 22 sacks in 2004. This is with no running game , K collins at QB and every team knowing Raiders had to pass. Raiders are going to offensive system that going to be very oline friendly. Out is seven step drops by QB (asking Olineman to block very long time) KIn is three step drop by QB . OUt is every pass pattern deep. In is more of a WCO offense with occasional deep passing game thrown in. ] OUt is man on man blocking style. In Is a zone blocking scheme that will be doing alot of cut blocking. Raiders really upgraded their running game with FB Justin Griffith. RB D rhodes and two blocking TEs Tony Stewart and Fred Wakefield 6'7 295. Out is a Oline coaching staff that never faced zone blitzes and speed coming off the corner today. IN is TOM Cable and Alex Gibbs(will be parttime coach) Gibbs is legendary Oline coach who built Denver Olines and they weren't high picks either. Cable says he has alot more talent on oline in Oakland, than he had last year with falcons last year. Yes with not many changes except coaching Raiders oline has chance to bounce back big time in 2007.
Let me ask you this. Is it important that I know who he was or if the scouts were well aware of him. Brady Quinn was more known to us because he was a senior and russell a Junior. I can give you alotb of big name college Players that we heard of, but they weren't anything in Pros.(game didn't translate well to pros) There alot of players we didn't hear about and they became big time players.(games did translate well to pro game) Tom Martinez Brady personal QB Guru worked with Both Russell and Brady Quinn. HE said there are alot OF Brady quinn that come out every year but its rare when you can get someone like Russell. NFl people that watched both Russell and Brady quinn workouts say it wasn't even close how much better Russell was. The Tape dosen't lie. There so much tape of RUssell making unbelievable throws in ti8ght coverage and Brady missing wide open WRs. Right about now Detriot kicking themselve for winning that meaniless last game of the season. Instead of Getting Jamarcus Russell, they are going to be left with Brady Quinn. Wow one game can changev a teams fortunes. BTW I don't know if your a Notre dame Homer or fact that you are trying to justify a white QB . BUt it sounds a little racist to me with your comparisons. AL Davis says Jamarcus Russell reminmds him alot of John Elway. (OKay Elway with a Tan)
how the hell do you see racism in my post? All i said was that I think Quinn is the safer pick, and will probably be a very good pro. I also said that Russell probably has a higher ceiling, but I, personally, do not think that he will reach it.
The whole Russell/Quinn debate reminds me alot of the Leaf/Manning debate. One of them is going to bust hardcore.
Easy Lets look at your Post. I would compare Quinn to Brady & Palmer. I would compare Russell to Culpepper. Which would you rather have? Lets See Quinn(white) to sucessful White Qbs (Palmer and Brady) Russell to culpepper.(whose black) WHY not say Brady Quinn could be the next Rick mirer(overated Notre Dame product) Why don't you say Russell alot like Elway. Im not calling you a racist ( I don't know you that well) but I think your comparison can be construed as being somwhat onesided.
You play the percentages one ofb those Qbs will probably be a bust. I don't subscribe to manning Leaf comparison. Why. Ryan Leaf with the bigger arm only had a 54 percent completion percentage compare to P manning in upper 60 percent completion percentage. Jmarcus Russell is no Ryan leaf ,as he completed like manning in the upper 60 percent completion percentage. Jamarcus Russell had higher completion to Brady quinn, and he played against alot tougher competition than Quinn.
I have a funny feeling they'll wind up with Quinn. It has been reported that Kiffen's offense will be similar to Gruden's. If that's the case, throwing the ball 70 yards is not neccessary. Having accuracy and touch and being a film rat a la Rich Gannon, or even Pennington, is probably more important. I'm not saying Russell couldn't function well in that environment, I just have a feeling they'll wind up with Quinn. If they do I'd rather trade down and grab him than take him at #1.
