No, wrong again-- I said Grubbs or Sears would give you an argument, and that I wouldn't hate seeing Ramirez in later rounds. Never said he was the only guy, just said he was the best, and did not agree with you when you said Ramirez was better than Blalock.
This the point, Mr. "I'm never wrong so continue your lame argument and I'll keep fueling it with my hypocritical "this is pointless" remarks." Care to explain how arguing that Ramirez is better than Blalock has enough significance towards taking a player that fits into round 1 with pick 25 to warrant you posting about it, as well as sticking immature insults and phrases like "STFU and GTFO" are justified? I never insulted you, I don't see why you're so insecure about the whole thing. Usage of the word "noob" doesn't look too good in an argument either. It's the equivalent of yelling at the other kid "you're stupid" when you're 10 years old for message board elitists.
Who are you? Didn't I address you like once all thread, in which you told me some crap about arguing on a message board blah blah blah. Spare us the BS. Please. Pretty please with a cherry on top. You're starting something you supposedly hate or think is nerdy or whatever you said it was without EVEN DISCUSSING THE TOPIC. Lol, and I still find it hilarious that you guys still thinking I'm arguing that Ramirez >>> Blalock. I don't care whose better, I want one of them and I want the best value possible. If the first round falls and Blalock is actually the BPA, then we better take him. But if someone like Meachum, Moss (though I don't know how well I like him as an OLB anymore), Spencer, or Houston falls...then I want one of them. Its so much harder to find a top WR, OLB, or CB than it is to find a good guard. But ignore that...keep the Ramirez v. Blalock thing going....
I did bring up the original topic's main statement, but I see you didn't pick up that. Look, keep doing what you're doing, but that doesn't hide the fact that the one time you did address me, you treated me like a moron by telling me to "STFU and GTFO" when all I did was bring up some more points that you continue to spin and dance around by reiterating the same things...things that don't hide your previous statements that you did feel that Blalock is honestly no better than Ramirez if not better, so why are you trying to pull this off now that you never said anything of that nature? Or would you rather complain like the whole "yet another Thomas Jones thread" and have it get locked again? It's ok to have an opinion, but being disrespectful as well? Why? Anyway...I'd prefer Revis at this point. From what I've seen of him play he's a much better looking prospect than Justin Miller was as an actual consistent cover man. Miller was flashy because of his kick returns and physical ability, but his head? Well it's no wonder he slipped out of the first round after that little minor charge just before the draft. But I'd be happy with Blalock in the first as well...or any of the other top guards within the first few rounds. I question Jarvis Moss as well because of his history, that's just the way it is, you can't rely solely on numbers or "he made it this year so ignore the injuries" as it is with Ramirez...with Moss you've got a guy that was a "dead man walking" prospect less than two years ago and apparently had issues playing once because he was "homesick"...but anyway, we'll see what happens in a month.
1. What thread got locked because of my "immaturity?" 2. Your first post in this thread talked about internet message board arguments being stupid and nerdy or whatever it was you said. Do you honestly think you're some saint who came back to restore order? Again, cut the BS. 3. Dude, the subject before this was a bunch of "OMG, Blalock WOULD be a good pick." Awesome. I merely wondered why Blalock was such a big deal when a good guard is much easier to find than a good WR, CB, OLB, and so on. I'm sorry I took this thread SO far off course that we ended up not agreeing on how great Blalock is, and actually debated something of actual merit. Didn't mean to rock anyones world with something so crazy. Are you just making stuff up to start something? I didnt' bother finding what you said about nerds and internet board arguments, so I merely blah blah blahed and crapped it. It was a perfectly legit paraphrasing you asked me, its not like it was anything significant. It certainly wasn't dealing with anyones football debate. 1. Read your post that I replied to Mr. Saint. Stop trying to potray yourself like some wounded warrior who came in to stabalize the thread and save the day. I just said, just a little meaner, that if you have a problem with us "nerds" having message board arguments, then GTFO. It seemed like the best way to reply at the time, and the way you're trying to make yourself look like I went and traumatized your like...I don't regret it. Something about you strikes me as "phony." Maybe its the way you barged into the debate, called it pointless and a nerd making something out of nothing (NOTE: NOT EXACT QUOTES), and then barge back in annoying, preachy keyboard ablazing. On actual football: The fact that Moss has came back, brought up his playing weight to 250, and played like a monster says alot about his character and love for the game. It says alot more than him being home sick while suffering a career threatening injury does to me at least. There are alot of guys who get/got homesick in college. Somehow, I see that being twisted into something its not soooo...I'll add that he doesn't seem to have tested well in agility drills, and he's not even close to NFL strong. I could see this guy falling alot on draft day when I think about it...that could be a good thing. Personally, if I go after a OLB prospect thats like/going to fall its Quentin Moses. Victor Abiarimi IMO has the second most "beast" potential after Adams. He's big, he's fast, he's quick, he's strong, and he plays mean. I'd love him with our first second if hes there.
Complaining about an article about Thomas Jones that had not been posted before, locked because of you. You also have another thread you tried to start recently that got locked... Not that it really matters in terms of me caring, but I've had zero problems in 3 years. I think I deserve the right to say someone has a questionable attitude when they are arguing in more than one thread in such a short time...prior to this nonsense, I had never really participated in one, because most individuals have the consideration to not tell people to "GTFO" of a topic for voicing an opinion on the situation. I never explicably said I had a problem with arguments, I have a problem with people like you that never admit faults in your arguments...EVER. That, and attacking others who try to get involved. I quoted you and you ignored it to complain about my participation in the topic...period, how is that justified? You've taken me extremely out of context, and you continue to name call...how can this possibly look good on your part? I also never called it pointless, you are simply grasping for straws now and call me the annoying one...look pal, get real. It won't make you look like any less of a man to just let it go. The only thing I've been trying to tell you is that you have started trouble before and shouldn't continue acting the way you do if you plan on sticking around for a while. But I understand not wanting to listen to me, and continuing to reverse anything I say back onto me, the "phony." Now once again, lets try to keep this on-topic. Is there anyone else that feels Revis is more valuable than Blalock at 25?
Dude, I refuse to even point by point your post anymore. Your post in which you called internet message board arguing seems to have completely disappeared (edited), so really...you've covered your ass (or maybe I'm just "grasping for straws"). This was fun um....I guess you win this nerdy internet message board thing? All you had to do was come in, make a post that started a flame war, edit said post, and then play the poor victim to come out "victorious." BTW: Read the very first post I made in this thread: Amazing isn't it? Here I was building straw men, changing my arguments and killing ALL my credibility...and my premise was there to start with. Crazy right?
I didn't delete it, lol...alright man, you're taking this way too seriously now, take it easy. And really, I didn't delete it, what an assumption though... I was never trying to win anything, by the way. I was merely suggesting you tone it down because I've seen plenty of flaming or sarcastic harassment on your part, and with free emails not accepted by this site anymore it's not a good thing if you get in trouble. ...funny way of not addressing the locked threads, eh? Hmm...oh well, doesn't really matter. Like I said, take care, I hold no grudge, no hate, I've got no problem with you if you just let this go and make one post without some sort of implication that I'm a phony nerd because I loosely referred to an outside occurence of this sort of argument that has no bearing on you, unless I had actually said "You are such and such" which I didn't, but you DID tell me to GTFO which is obviously offensive and much more direct. You don't own the topic, my friend. (see, I can call you my friend, not phony...) I only said nerd as an analogy, I was never referring to anyone here as that. All I did was refer to what it reminded me of, not that YOU are in that category...it was just eerily reminiscent, is it a crime to say this reminds me of that? No, only if you're that defensive to take it that way. (And yes it really is still there, amazing that you'd assume I'd try to cover myself like that though) So I'm sorry you took it that way and continued to cite that as a defense, but I never meant any offense by it, it was just the way I perceived the situation, not the individuals. Had I directly said you are just like them, I'd understand, but reminded of something unrelated? Why is that so strongly binded to being an insult? I think that about sums it up, lots of misconceptions that kept this fire going. I apologize if there were any on my part as well. Bottom line: Blalock rules, Ramirez sucks. (joke) Maybe we need a debate forum for you though, since you did once say you enjoy that sort of thing? I prefer the much calmer "discussion" myself...just a suggestion.
Yea LOL.... Taking it seriously like reinserting yourself into a thread that was dying down and bringing it back and steering it away from football (all while playing innoncent, and of course triyng to make it look like football was your one and only goal)? Oh, how kind of you. How could I dare insult someone with such a noble cause? Actually...I kind of agree with you that I probably should have toned it down but...what I can I say it happens right? Oh, me too. I only said GTFO and n00b and so on as analogies. Glad we got that out of the way. I also meant all my posts non-offensively. See? We're all innocent angels now. And dude...a forum is always open for a debate. Its a forum. People are there to throw in their opinions and ideas. How you don't know that after 3 years I dont know. WTF is the point of having a forum where everyone is agreeing with each other and saying the same thing? Man...I gotta stop biting this bait you're leaving though...
You didn't address me either but let me say to you and Big Cotch to knock it off now. Call this a Pre-warning. You are right. A forum is open to debate, but not the derailing, name calling sort you and certain others have made in this thread. This is the way things are run here. Now move on and keep it about the subject or I will lock this topic.
Yeah, why would anybody want to waste the 25th pick on blalock? If that's who they want, then trade down and get another pick in the process.
lol "The difference between a great guard and a good guard is minute" But i would always rather have the great one....like we have pennington...he is good, but id rather have great! And yes, Big cotch you silly B**** i agree with you, blalock is the better, hands down...if he is there at 25...get him...that would make our line GREAT...not just GOOD...
Problem with this logic: A great QB is far more valuable than a great guard. They are much more rare, and much harder to find. The three best guards in this league at one point or another in the past few years have been Faneca, Hutchinson, and Steinbach...they were all first rounders, cool. But how big is the difference between them and say...Dielman, Goff, and other great guards who were not first rounders? Hell, Larry Allen is going down as one of the most dominant lineman of all time, and he wasn't a first round pick. Teams are putting more value on the lines than ever, theres no doubt about that...but good coaching, a solid gameplay, and good natural ability can make a guy a damn good lineman for a long time. Theres no reason to be so locked into Blalock like many seem to be here. We have other needs besides guards, and if theres a better player available than Blalock, why not take him?
uh huh Yes, point taken, but doesnt having a great guard that can solidify a good o-line into a great o-line also have the possibility of making a good QB into a great QB??
yes, because at this point, the Jets are one or 2 good/great lineman away from having a dominant line for a good part of a decade...replace the right side and were set, Blalock should fill one of those holes
Since when has it become that the only way to build a good OLine is by using first round picks on Olineman? After taking two OLineman in the first round last year I can't believe this though even exists, for a guard nonetheless. The more I think of it the more against this idea I am. How do all in favor of this expect to pay 3 first round Olineman in a couple years. We could find a guard good enough to start in the 3rd round, there should be no reason to use a first for one.
Exactly, well...except for the paying them part. Mangold is making nothing for the player he is, D'Brick is being paid like a top 5 pick would be expected to be paid, and I highly doubt a G picked at 25 would break the bank. Otherwise I agree with you.
The paying part, I meant when they had to be resigned.. It will be almost impossible to sign all three to mega contracts to keep them from FA..
Ramirez, the truth Cotch what are you talking about injuries ? He only missed one game in four years for an injury. As a matter of fact he played his senior year with a torn patella tendon that was misdiagnosed. He had surgery after the season and that is why he didnt run in the combine. Your initial post made him sound like a baseball player, someone chronically hurt. Ramirez is one tough hombre. Ramirez started since he was a freshman at Tech. He had no major injuries in his four years starting at Tech. He is a leader a character player (which the Jets have been looking for) and as dware pointed out, he is coming from an offense that threw the ball 75% of the time. We solidified the left side of the oline last year, now lets finish the job.. What a difference a solid oline makes. I am sure Pennington appreciated the upgrade, it kept the surgeons away. I also like Blalock but I think he will probably go before Ramirez. I think both are very similar players with Ramirez having much more experience in a passing game. Which is what many college linemen have problems with coming into the NFL. Both were the strongest players at the combine. I think we look for a cb in round one and then I would like to get Ramirez in round 2 if he is still available.
Vision what a difference a year makes 2005 crap oline 3 QBs carried off the field with serious injuries. After two top Oline picks ,, healthy QBs. I dont say we need an olineman in first round , but I would take a good one in second round.
