Where did I say Ramirez was better? I think he'll be better value, simply because a good guard is a good guard and you can find those guys beyond the first round. Even then, how does the depth of the other three cancel it out? Shouldn't we be doing BPA that fits a need in the first round? If Meachum, Houston, or Spencer all rank higher on the Jets board but Blalock is there, why wouldn't we pick who we think is best? Sure, theres a guy at all those positions later in the draft, theres a guy at all positions later in the draft. Put it this way, is Blalock going to be THAT MUCH BETTER than every other guard in this draft...is he SO GOOD...that he is the MUST pick if hes there? What if the team sees Meachum as a #1 reciever in the making? Or Houston as a physical, shut down corner? Or Spencer as our Ware/Merriman? If we grab a Duckworth, Ramirez, Grubbs, Beekman, or Alleman later on, and a Spencer/Houston/Meachum/Moss/whoever in the first...who cares? And all you just told me is that you never understood my basic point...and I don't get why people have started obsessing over Blalock as if he's the ONLY guy worth grabbing in the first.
"To me he's just as good a prospect, if not better than Blalock." In other words, there's no way you see him as anything below what Blalock would bring. Better value is a good point, but you DID say you expect nothing less from him even though the people who do the evaluating and decision-making for a living obviously think otherwise. What about the people years ago comparing Mike Williams to Toniu Fonoti? Aren't they both busts? Unless he's taken before Blalock, you don't really have a point either. Please stop the online messageboard argument, this reminds me of the nerds on GameFAQs going on and on about pointless subjects they have zero effect on with their opinions, acting as if they're defending themselves in a court of law... The topic was about whether or not we take Blalock with the 25th pick, NOT whether Ramirez is the better option. The later round argument is also silly, there is a much lower chance of finding a good guard down there than there is with taking the elite prospects, as that's all they are, some are just more likely to succeed than others. Where are Dave Yovanovits and Marko Cavka?
"To me he's just as good a prospect, if not better than Blalock." No dude, I don't think its impossible one ends up better than the other. They're prospects, they will do what prospects do. Some will bust, some will become superstars. I'll admit Blalock is a beast, but I like Ramirez's skillset alot also. The fact that he can be had later than Blalock, opening up our first round options like THEY SHOULD BE is a big factor in why I like him so much. NFL teams have built very good lines throughout history with later round picks, and I don't see Blalock is being put on this mantle here. BTW - those experts are offering their opinion. It's not like they're doctors...this is the NFL Draft. We have alot of info too, and most fans can form strong opinions either way. They've been wrong before, just like everyone else. Um...then STFU and GTFO. WTF does it matter where he was taken? What does that have to do with him as a player? The draft is all about value, and I don't think its impossible to comprehend that there are quite a few good guard prospects here behind Blalock that could do just as well at him in the pros. If a guy is protecting the QB and creating lanes, do you care what round he was drafted in? Do you compare that guy to other guards? No. If you're a good guard, you're a good guard. Awesome. That wasn't my point though. Why is Blalock the Holy Grail all of a sudden? Yea dude um...all those guards I've mentioned besides Blalock are all highly thought of. Beekman would be a first rounder if he was like an inch or two taller. Grubbs is a solid all around prospect. Duckworth is a beast mauler for a powerful offense whose backs tend to look better because of the line. Ramirez is a beastly pass blocker with the strength, arm length, and overall size and mass to be a mauler. Cavka and Yovanovits they are not. You know what I'm saying is really simple if you actually sat and thought it through. I get Blalock is good, very good. What I'm wondering is why people have locked onto him like hes god at guard. If hes the best player there when we pick...then why not. I just don't see him as the MUST guy in this draft.
This is where you said it, and we have been arguing it for 2 days now. Perhaps now, you are seeing how absurd it is to think that.
Yea dude...it was way absurd.... The difference between a great guard and a good guard is minute. The fact is, theres alot of guards in this draft who have the potential to be "great" anyway. Why you seem to have Blalock on this pedestal on which no one and nothing can knock him down I don't get. And there is where you misunderstood me...can't believe it took 2 days for someone to point it out.
You're being stupid-- you made the argument that we don't need Blalock because there are other guards-- and Meachum, Spencer, and Houston could be good picks-- I simply said that on the other side of that argument, there are also plenty of LB's WR, and CB's in this draft, so your theory isn't limited to just the Guard position, but could be said for CB, WR, and LB because this draft has a ton of talent at all those spots. I think BPA is the way to go as well, but this thread is about the G position at 25, and I like Blalock.
Blalock is HANDS DOWN the best prospect- you are now acting as though you didn't say you liked Ramirez better. Stick with your BS argument.
and there is no misunderstanding you- you said Ramirez is better- I quoted you. Now you're getting into Good vs Great, not that big a difference- stick with it- you think Ramirez is better.
OK um...maybe its just Stupid Old Me...but did you just say what both of just said and then end it with what I just said (go BPA). And yea its pretty obvious that if we were going to go guard in the first round its Blalock. He's the only guard in this draft that could go in the first according to most reports. Sorry I dared to invade the Blalock BJ thread (which is appearantly all this was) with blashemy that there just might be better value somewhere.
Mangini loves overachievers it seems. This is one of the reasons why I think there's a solid chance he becomes a Jet.
You're changing your story brother--- i didn't argue value at all- I argued man vs man- Blalock is better. Stop making gay comments about love and bj's-- he's the best guard, and I gave you reasons why. Do I say you want to blow Ramirez? No, because I'm not 9 years old. And yes, I want BPA at a need position... as for this little rant you had "but did you just say what both of just said and then end it with what I just said" I like to respond with "I thought you said I was alright Spider" then you get shot in the foot.
Dude you're either like...borderline retarded or you're nitpicking my posts. I'm guessing its a nice mix of both. This was never about who the better guard was, its the better value. If Blalock is the best player available when we pick in the first, then yes I want him. Whats hilarious is you're calling me stupid and so on...yet you're AGREEING with me on my basic premise. It's ridiculous and a little bit annoying at this point. I mean I mean...you're right I'm changing my story and you have always been right. Happy? You can go back and finish blowing Blalock now. PS: Like how the BJ jokes are 9 years old but calling someone stupid over the internet makes you cool and older. Seriously dude...stfu...you did the personal attack thing first. Grow up.
Maybe I am retarded- maybe I am changing your story-- oh no, wait, here are your quotes to bail me out... "To me he's just as good a prospect, if not better than Blalock." "Blalock is good, but it's not like he's a HUGE step up from anyone else in the draft. Personally, I like Ramirez a little better." After 2 days, you realize you are wrong, and you are acting like you never said this shit. Anything else you write from here has no credibility- you are writing shit, and denying it after you are proven wrong. Good night, you lose.
1. Did you really expect me to remember what I said two days ago on a message board? Even then, wouldn't you expect me, or anyone who realizes that not everything they say is 100% correctly, to research a little bit? Even then, I never stretched very far away from my basic point...or #2... 2. I still don't get how it kills my basic logic that says go with BPA. The same shit you're saying actually. Thats really cool, I said I like Ramirez better...lets ignore what else went into my thoughts besides those two sentences. What about my sentence that the draft is about value? Doesn't fit your argument right? Oh no thats right, it just means I changed mine from the one you saw I was making. 3. I have no credibility to you. There have been tons of guys like you who think they can take away credibility from someone simply by saying so. Its a joke. Oh, and everything you say from now on has no credibility....:rofl: n00b. Edit: I really want to put a crappy argument-closer cliche thing like you did...but I can't think of anything lame enough.
BPA is an obvious strategy everyone tries to follow, so don't give yourself too much credit for that one. Anyway, credibility is lost when you change your story half way through an argument, and then DENY ever saying it. And I'm sorry your memory is so horrible that you can't remember your own opinion of a player.
Lol...you really are amazing. 1. Why would I pat myself on the back for thinking BPA? Everyone thinks BPA. I was wondering/questioning why Blalock was such a big deal to everyone. He carries a first round grade as a G, which is great. But you can find good even great guards in later rounds quite easily. It wouldn't be the first time it happened you know. 2. Dude, I can't deny something that is literally right in front of my face. Look through my posts, theres no denying. Avoiding? You're definitely the guy who would find that. Give a sh*tness? None what so ever. I want you remember one word: value. Thats my argument in one word. Understand now? Probably not. 3. I'm sorry you took my one sentence like it was my bible. Ramirez to me is an excellent prospect who can pass block, has mauler size and potential, and is much better value as a 2/3 round pick than Blalock. Does that make what I'm saying easier for you to digest?
You act like I disagree with basic draft principles like, value, and BPA. Never once did I say one word to make you think that.
Aye... Haven't I said that we both agree on BPA? Remember that? The more you reply to my posts, the more I think you're just scanning and nitpicking them. Can this stop yet?
" I want you remember one word: value. Thats my argument in one word. Understand now? Probably not." Yeah, that right there is what I was referring to. You act like you are the ONE guy on here who supports that principle.
No, I'm acting like I was the only guy who didn't think Blalock was the one and only guard worth taking or whatever the hell the point of this thread was.
