Got this email from the Hall of Fame today about a draft party. In the email, they listed all the members of the Hall, and what round they got drafted in. Not surprisingly, most were chosen in the first round: 1st (79) 2nd (25) 3rd (16) 4th (6) 5th (5) 6th (1) *make it 2 after Brady retires 7th (7) 8th (2) 9th (5) Rounds 10-21 (either 1 or 2) But here's the thing: 62 of the 79 firstround selections were taken in the top 10. I'd like to believe our FO can unearth some late round magic, but the odds 2007 Hall of Famers will only be found in the single digits. http://www.profootballhof.com/history/general/draft/round.jsp
Intersting stats there, but we simply can't trade our draft away just to acquire one guy when our needs are so many....I'll take a few solid contributors and maybe a probowler or 2 as of now. Besides, guys in the lower rounds usually have to earn PT instead of it being handed to them like the top 10 guys. That loss of time usually hurts them pretty bad from a statistical point of view.
It's a new era for the NFL. Those numbers are going to shift downward big time in the next 10-15 years.
Some of that has more to do with teams coddling their early 1st round pics throughout their whole carrer while possibly better players choosen in the later rounds ride the pine. If not for Mo Lewis, we'd all be saying "Brady who?", while Bledso is still loosing games for NE. Or take the kid behind our new running back from Chicago. He got picked 4th overall so guess what? Make room, he's going to play. See my point? 1st rounders are NOT 10 times better than 2nd rounders, but 1st rounders get paid 10 times more and they get 10 times more playing time, deserved or not. Thus, the HOF.
so you are more interested in simply drafting HOF's, not putting together a winning team? when it takes a team full of HOF's to win a Super Bowl, then I say trade up. but until the era passes where Super Bowl rosters are made up of many good players with a sound mix of great players who could turn HOF's passes, I don't see the need to try and build a team solely on possible HOF's at the detriment of having a winning team. of course, the stat does fail to mention how many SB's were won by those HOF's in comparrison to players drafted in later rounds who won Super Bowls. I want to see winning percentages of non-HOF's in comparrison to HOF's by position and round of draft.
Generally, you do need a HOFer to win the SB, and right now I don't know if we have ANY on the roster. Off the top of my head... Colts - Manning, Harrison Steelers - The Bus, maybe Ward Pats - Brady, maybe some D guys Bucs - Brooks, Barber Rams - Holt, Faulk Ravens - Lewis Denver - Elway
Bucs-Sapp (probably, although the Raiders hurt him some) Denver-Rod Smith (needs one more real season) The thing to remember about these lists is that the fact that they are of Super Bowl champions skews the HoF rankings considerably. Tom Brady is not going to the hall of fame on his stats he's going on the rings. If New England had not won a Super Bowl during Brady's career nobody would seriously consider him a HoF candidate. So if the Jets win next year Laveranues Coles chances of going to the hall if he plays another 3 years skyrocket. If they don't win a Super Bowl during his career his chances hinge on playing about another 7 seasons or more at similar production to what he has already accomplished.
You favorite team the pats has won super bowls off late round picks. The is no rule that says you draft a hof player or you have had a bad draft.
There is, it's called the "champ rule". But trade up? Up rounds? I'm not following this. It's common sense that the can't miss guys will go in the early rounds. Some of them do miss, others go to the Hall of Fame.
for the guy that says the years in Oakland will hurt Sapp...no way Warren Sapp had one of his best years this season in an Oakland Raiders uniform...10 sacks for a 34 year old is pretty damn good to me
I completely missed that in the argument but you're right. Tom Brady is a 6th round pick. Marvin Harrison not a top 10 pick. Hines Ward a 3rd round pick. Derrick Brooks not a top 10 pick. Ronde Barber a 3rd round pick. Ray Lewis not a top 10 pick. The 1st round is over-represented in the hall of fame but the people who are leading teams to Super Bowls can and have come from nowhere. The leader of that Rams franchise, btw, was an undrafted free agent. Like Johny Unitas, Kurt Warner came from nowhere to lead his team to a championship.
and many non-HOF's have positive affects on teams as well. in fact, without any evidence that single HOF players do in fact have a greater impact on a teams success than multiple good players, you really have no argument. for every John Elway, there are hundreds of just good players that have equally as much impact on their teams success when paired with the impact of other good players. the point is winning is not dependent upon having HOF's, which you seem to be implying. it helps, but to what point is success sacrificed by putting all of your eggs in one basket, which is what you are advocating. there are very few players in NFL history who have single handedly dominated the league. For every John Elway, there is a Barry Sanders. HOF's, and even the greatest player ever at a position, do not equate to success on their own, they need other players, many of which are just good, but the team as a whole has many more good players than the other teams.
OMG serious? There are actually good players who aren't in the HOF? And it's possible to win without one? And one guy can't do it themselves (except for Chad/any QB)? News to me... I realize that. I don't get is why this " We are not looking for Hall of Fame players. We are trying to build a team" has to be said. Is every HOFer a "ME" guy? Do they deter the team in some way? It just sounds like a really lame cliche. My post came because the post sounded like it was a bad thing to have a HOFer or two on the roster. Makes no sense to me, just sounds like a horribly illogical cliche.
I think that if you look at the last 25 years of the Jets 1st round picks you will find many good players in the first round, but how many HOF players came out of the early first round? Blair Thomas? Do you think Dwayne Robertson will (I Like him, but not HOF). 2004 -- Jonathan Vilma, 2003 -- Dewayne Robertson, 2002 -- Bryan Thomas, 2001 -- Santana Moss, 2000 -- Shaun Ellis, 2000 -- John Abraham, 2000 -- Chad Pennington, 2000 -- Anthony Becht, 1997 -- James Farrior, 1996 -- Keyshawn Johnson, 1995 -- Kyle Brady, 1995 -- Hugh Douglas, 1994 -- Aaron Glenn, 1993 -- Marvin Jones, 1992 -- Johnny Mitchell, 1990 -- Blair Thomas, 1989 -- Jeff Lageman, 1988 -- Dave Cadigan, 1987 -- Roger Vick, 1986 -- Mike Haight, 1985 -- Al Toon, 1984 -- Russell Carter, 1894 -- Ron Faurot, 1983 -- Ken O'Brien, 1982 -- Bob Crable, 1981 -- Freeman McNeil
ummmmmm, not so sure about that. Of the guys I mentioned, and the guys you added, I think all of them are HOFers whether they won the SB or not. Brady would be one of the guys without the stats yet, but he started pretty young and he is near the top in yardage every year. HE's gonna put up big numbers if he has a long career. One guy we both missed that is a sure-fire HOFer is Ed Reed. Edit - Reed didn't win the SB. Came after.
